I think it is self-evident that the tool of choice for all the top gun's is 
the Gavin.  If for no other reason that Trey, Trout, and the rest have 
pointed out it is a core component of the DIR system of Tools and attitude 
and it is proven, time and time again.  Who gives a crap if you can go to 
the henkel 1 min faster than the other guy (we all know who will be towing 
your ass out with the nose of your scooter buried in the mud).  Back to the 
systematic component, if one takes a look at why the WKPP works and sets 
records time and time again...look to the aspect of team work not single 
heros with lightning fast scooters.......and effective team work requires 
the consolidation and streamlining of tools (dive gear) and attitudes. 
 Your buddy and support crew better darn well know your tools just as well 
as you do.  And it appears to me that if (and when) one of those break down 
you have little choice but to leave it (no one likes towing a danforth 
anchor behind them).  I could be wrong but I choose to dive with the Big 
Boys who DIR and they dive Gavins.

Lance

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jess Armantrout [SMTP:trout@ca*.co*]
Sent:	Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:11 AM
To:	John E. Ivanic; cavers@cavers.com
Subject:	Re: read this gavin owners

Johnny Rotten is correct.  The Zepp is a blast to ride.  I had one of the
big ones myself.  It will outrun a Gavin speed wise.  It will go upstream 
as
he says and is indeed the scooter of choice if all you want to do is go in
in a straight horizontal line in open water.  The story goes that Joseph
Ruprecht, inventor and builder of the Aquazepp, built the first one to
escape underwater from E. Germany to West, and for that, this scooter is
perfect. But ask him:

1.  how much room he needs to turn 180 degrees.  Mine took roughly a
football field's width.
2. Ask him how quickly it responds when you want to change depths.
3. Ask him kow many guys it takes him to carry it to the water.
4. Ask him how he knows when his prop has cut the line since this is a ride
on and his eyes are forward of the prop.
5. Ask him if he gets sick and tired of having to stop and reach back to
switch between 12 and 24 volts (there is a lever that sits right about 
where
your knees wind up and it gets bumped all the time...it is one of the two
ways you change speeds).
6.  Ask him how he keeps up with a buddy since he only has 4 fixed speeds,
not an infinitely variable amount such as is found on a variable pitch
scooter.
7.  I am not 100% sure, but I thought the zepp did not have a clutch. 
 Maybe
it does.  If not, ask him how he stops the prop when it sticks on.
8.  And finally, and this would be my favorite, ask him why Wakulla I used
zepps and Wakulla II (tried to) used (poor) Gavin knockoffs.

Ride-ons do not work, but at least he bought the best ride-on out there.
Tell your friend it is not a mistake to buy shit, but try try to tell 
others
it is "Da Bomb" really makes him look pretty stupid.

Trout

----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. Ivanic" <ivanic@di*.ne*>
To: <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:08 AM
Subject: read this gavin owners


> This post was sent to me by an ignorant idiot, that knows nothing atoll,
> check out what he yapped on about the gavin scooters... please any
> replies send to me as well.
>
> Regards
> John
>

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