The fact is o/w divers dive Leon quite a bit. Since 99% of you can't even
get far enough to see the 250 foot stuff, I doubt they will. The fact is
that they have a chance to get out with a line, none with out.


-----Original Message-----
From: robsteffen:First robsteffen:Last [mailto:robsteffen@ea*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 8:14 PM
To: Trey; lcarlson@n-*.co*; ScottBonis@ao*.co*; swhac@pc*.gu*.ne*
Cc: cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: cave lines


George, you don't have Open Water divers in Leon Sinks every weekend.
Granted, if the OW diver is stupid enough to follw that line it, the world
would probably be a lot better off with out him, but they will still swim in
looking for that perminate line.  At 250 ', one would hope that they turn
around before then.

    Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
To: <lcarlson@n-*.co*>; <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>; <swhac@pc*.gu*.ne*>
Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: cave lines


> Lance they have killed a few people down there with that cut back
bullshit -
> it is as stupid as it gets. In Leon Sinks I run them to the surface.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance Carlson [mailto:lcarlson@n-*.co*]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:15 PM
> To: 'ScottBonis@ao*.co*'; swhac@pc*.gu*.ne*
> Cc: cavers@cavers.com
> Subject: RE: cave lines
>
>
> However,
>
> I've often wondered why it is that the lines in mexico are cut back so
deep
> (some in excess of a full primary reel).  Can you explain the value of
this
> other than keeping guides employed down there?  Make it known that I have
> no qualms about running reel up to say 250' in or so but beyond that I
> question motive?  Observation: Florida, lines too near entrance (read, put
> LR back where it belongs).  Mexico, lines too far.  How many people dive
on
> their own in mexico (sans guide) vs in Florida?  I bet you the single most
> compelling reason is locating the main line.  By the way, I am aware of
the
> cavern dives there and maybe the answer lies in the fact that some
'cavern'
> dives in Mexico are actually 'Cave' dives and the buck wins again.
>
> Lance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ScottBonis@ao*.co* [SMTP:ScottBonis@ao*.co*]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 3:33 PM
> To: swhac@pc*.gu*.ne*
> Cc: cavers@cavers.com; John E. Ivanic
> Subject: Re: cave lines
>
> In a message dated 10/18/2000 10:26:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> swhac@pc*.gu*.ne* writes:
>
> << ... That line was only moved because the instructors in the community
do
> not want to take the time, and need to pass students that can't, to teach
> people how to run a reel... >>
<SNIP>

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