However,

I've often wondered why it is that the lines in mexico are cut back so deep 
(some in excess of a full primary reel).  Can you explain the value of this 
other than keeping guides employed down there?  Make it known that I have 
no qualms about running reel up to say 250' in or so but beyond that I 
question motive?  Observation: Florida, lines too near entrance (read, put 
LR back where it belongs).  Mexico, lines too far.  How many people dive on 
their own in mexico (sans guide) vs in Florida?  I bet you the single most 
compelling reason is locating the main line.  By the way, I am aware of the 
cavern dives there and maybe the answer lies in the fact that some 'cavern' 
dives in Mexico are actually 'Cave' dives and the buck wins again.

Lance


-----Original Message-----
From:	ScottBonis@ao*.co* [SMTP:ScottBonis@ao*.co*]
Sent:	Wednesday, October 18, 2000 3:33 PM
To:	swhac@pc*.gu*.ne*
Cc:	cavers@cavers.com; John E. Ivanic
Subject:	Re: cave lines

In a message dated 10/18/2000 10:26:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
swhac@pc*.gu*.ne* writes:

<< ... That line was only moved because the instructors in the community
do 
not want to take the time, and need to pass students that can't, to teach
people how to run a reel... >>


Hi Scott,

I teach in Yucatan and have not done much diving in Florida, but I find it
almost inconceivable that any cave instructor for any agency would actually 
pass a cave student who wasn't fully capable of running a reel.

Is that what you're saying?  Do you have any examples of this?  To me this
would be equivalent to giving a loaded gun with a hair trigger and the 
safety
off, to a five year old and saying "Here, play with this!"

Take care and dive safe,        Scott


In a message dated 10/18/2000 10:26:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
swhac@pc*.gu*.ne* writes:

Subj:    Re: cave lines
Date:   10/18/2000 10:26:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From:   swhac@pc*.gu*.ne* (Scott Hunsucker)
To: ivanic@di*.ne* (John E. Ivanic), cavers@cavers.com
(cavers@cavers.com)

    Why should someone be hung out to dry because they removed a geriatric
sized unneeded arrow?  What purpose did that oversize piece of plastic
serve?  If normal arrows work in every other cave in the world, what makes
Little River so damn special has to merit a different arrow?  Little River
is just a cave like every other cave in this state, it is not sacred nor
special.  That large arrow was nothing more than cave trash.  What is next, 
giant arrows at every split in every cave for every diver that can't either 
read a map or posses the cognitive ability to navigate?
    Depending on where the line in question was I might agree with you.  If 
they cut back the main line away from the entrance, back to where it used
to be, then that is great.  That line was only moved because the
instructors in the community do not want to take the time, and need to pass 
students that can't, to teach people how to run a reel.  The same thing
happened in Peacock, laziness and complacency on the half of the instructor 
should not equal less work for the student, it does but it should not.  If
the line was removed from somewhere in the cave that might be a different
story.
Scott Hunsucker

At 09:57 AM 10/18/00 -0400, John E. Ivanic wrote:
>I heard that someone removed some line out of little river, and also
>stole the large arrow at the serpentine, is this true? The person
>resposible should be hung out to dry.
>
>John

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