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That's my uncle. -----Original Message----- From: Backgas [mailto:backgas@ta*.rr*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 PM To: Kreska Jack-FJK003; cavers@cavers.com Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers? Gee Jack, I thought you were in the magic business. aka "The amazing Kreska" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreska Jack-FJK003" <Jack.Kreska@mo*.co*> To: <trey@ne*.co*>; "John Dudas" <john_dudas@ya*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: RE: "Junior" Cave Divers? > I think you'll find that many of the better instructors (like me, for > instance (-: ) are gainfully employed in industries other than scuba. Most > of us around here are college graduates working in technical or professional > positions. I agree with George. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:29 PM > To: John Dudas; cavers@cavers.com > Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers? > > > The problem is that you have trailer trash like the Heinerths trying to make > a living teaching diving . It is not possible to do that. > > In my case, I got taught by my father's boat captain, but my PADI instructor > had an MBA and works a real job, my cavern instructor was Alton Hall, and my > cave instructor was Parker Turner, whose money I managed - he did not need > to work. > > Bill Mee and I were out diving on one of the local boats in Hollywood , > Florida, and there was this lady teaching a kid from her neighborhood to > dive. Bill and I were amazed at how cool she was about it. Not believing she > could possibly be a dive instructor full time and go teaching one kid on a > Sunday afternoon and taking that much care, I asked her what she did for a > living . She is a 777 pilot for Delta. A tad different than World Record > Jill and the IANTD 12 year old cavern diver crowd. A tad different. > > I hope they all lose their insurance and go back to working at the 7 -11 > where they all belong. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Dudas <john_dudas@ya*.co*> > To: George Trey Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers? > > > > I've been reading this whole thread with shock. I > > coached 12 year olds in soccer and at that age they > > are still very much developing motor skills. Can you > > imagine one of them trying to close off a cracked > > manafold while in a panic??! Or helping a diver that > > is in need of rescue? If these 12 year olds go on to > > advanced diving at 13, 14, or 15 those are the ages > > where some of the worst accidents take place because > > of the "Superman Syndrome". Kids, and I do mean kids > > think that they are impervious. The parents also tend > > to push their kids into wreckless behavior - "be a > > footbal star early...". Cave or Cavern - it does not > > matter. I also think that the PADI bubble blower > > program is NUTS! Along the lines of divers that > > smoke and fat slobs in the water (fat=nitrogen > > retension)! > > > > One of these days the insurance industry is going to > > wise up to these idiots and we are all going to be > > screwed. I don't want to have to lie about a sport > > that I love in order to keep insurance. > > > > John Dudas > > PDDC > > WWW.dcdiver.com > > --- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote: > > > We need to take Alton public. The tec diving > > > bullshit is so far beyond the pale it is ridiculous. > > > It is only a matter of time before these guys : 1) > > > lose their insurance, 2) get diving regulated, 3) > > > cause such an uproar that the kind of diving we do > > > will be illegal. > > > > > > Notice that they all go along with it, because the > > > NACD , the CDS, and the rest of the game is all run > > > by dive instructors who are trying to make a living > > > out of our sport. These people are parasites of the > > > worst order. I can not wait until the releases they > > > use to get away with bullshit start getting thrown > > > out,and they eventually will due to the degree to > > > which these people display a cavalier attitude about > > > human life, and the low level of trailer trash that > > > teaches diving for the most part these days. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@mc*.co*> > > > To: MrClark95@ao*.co* <MrClark95@ao*.co*>; > > > wkpp@eg*.co* <wkpp@eg*.co*> > > > Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com> > > > Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers? > > > > > > > > > >George, > > > >How do I buy stock in Alton's company? > > > > > > > >Trout > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: <MrClark95@ao*.co*> > > > >To: <wkpp@eg*.co*> > > > >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com> > > > >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:51 PM > > > >Subject: "Junior" Cave Divers? > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I have just heard that IANTD is now > > > offering "junior overhead" > > > >> diving courses for twelve-year-olds including > > > cave diving, and two other > > > >> "junior" courses for twelve year olds. It seems > > > to me that this is why > > > >kids > > > >> have parents - to keep them from acting like > > > armadillos crossing the road. > > > >If > > > >> this is indeed true, then this is a new low in > > > the "Anything For A Buck" > > > >> category. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe Mount can explain this one to > > > us, and CC his "Board of > > > >> Advisors", so we can at least see a list of who > > > approves of this kind of > > > >> nonsense, if indeed it is even true, which is > > > hard to believe, and see who > > > >it > > > >> is that is obviously trying desperately to put an > > > end to diving as we know > > > >> it, or at least cave and "tec" diving as we know > > > it. I can see one of > > > >these > > > >> newpaper headlines now, "12 year old drowns in > > > cave, writes note to mommy > > > >on > > > >> tank, IANTD card found in MIkey Mouse lunch box > > > on bike". > > > >> > > > >> What next? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ >
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