I think you'll find that many of the better instructors (like me, for
instance (-: ) are gainfully employed in industries other than scuba. Most
of us around here are college graduates working in technical or professional
positions. I agree with George.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:29 PM
To: John Dudas; cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?


The problem is that you have trailer trash like the Heinerths trying to make
a living teaching diving . It is not possible to do that.

In my case, I got taught by my father's boat captain, but my PADI instructor
had an MBA and works a real job, my cavern instructor was Alton Hall, and my
cave instructor was Parker Turner, whose money I managed - he did not need
to work.

Bill Mee and I were out diving on one of the local boats in Hollywood ,
Florida, and there was this lady teaching a kid from her neighborhood to
dive. Bill and I were amazed at how cool she was about it. Not believing she
could possibly be a dive instructor full time and go teaching one kid on a
Sunday afternoon and taking that much care, I asked her what she did for a
living . She is a 777 pilot for Delta. A tad different than World Record
Jill and the IANTD 12 year old cavern diver crowd. A tad different.

I hope they all lose their insurance and go back to working at the 7 -11
where they all belong.

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dudas <john_dudas@ya*.co*>
To: George Trey Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?


> I've been reading this whole thread with shock.  I
> coached 12 year olds in soccer and at that age they
> are still very much developing motor skills.  Can you
> imagine one of them trying to close off a cracked
> manafold while in a panic??!  Or helping a diver that
> is in need of rescue?  If these 12 year olds go on to
> advanced diving at 13, 14, or 15 those are the ages
> where some of the worst accidents take place because
> of the "Superman Syndrome".  Kids, and I do mean kids
> think that they are impervious.  The parents also tend
> to push their kids into wreckless behavior - "be a
> footbal star early...".  Cave or Cavern - it does not
> matter.  I also think that the PADI bubble blower
> program is NUTS!  Along the lines of  divers that
> smoke and fat slobs in the water (fat=nitrogen
> retension)!
>
> One of these days the insurance industry is going to
> wise up to these idiots and we are all going to be
> screwed.  I don't want to have to lie about a sport
> that I love in order to keep insurance.
>
> John Dudas
> PDDC
> WWW.dcdiver.com
> --- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote:
> > We need to take Alton public. The tec diving
> > bullshit is so far beyond the pale it is ridiculous.
> > It is only a matter of time before these guys : 1)
> > lose their insurance, 2) get diving regulated, 3)
> > cause such an uproar that the kind of diving we do
> > will be illegal.
> >
> > Notice that they all go along with it, because the
> > NACD , the CDS, and the rest of the game is all run
> > by dive instructors who are trying to make a living
> > out of our sport. These people are parasites of the
> > worst order. I can not wait until the releases they
> > use to get away with bullshit start getting thrown
> > out,and they eventually will due to the degree to
> > which these people display a cavalier attitude about
> > human life, and the low level of trailer trash that
> > teaches diving for the most part these days.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@mc*.co*>
> > To: MrClark95@ao*.co* <MrClark95@ao*.co*>;
> > wkpp@eg*.co* <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> > Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
> > Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> >
> >
> > >George,
> > >How do I buy stock in Alton's company?
> > >
> > >Trout
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <MrClark95@ao*.co*>
> > >To: <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> > >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:51 PM
> > >Subject: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>             I have just heard that IANTD is now
> > offering "junior overhead"
> > >> diving courses for twelve-year-olds including
> > cave diving, and two other
> > >> "junior" courses for twelve year olds. It seems
> > to me that this is why
> > >kids
> > >> have parents - to keep them from acting like
> > armadillos crossing the road.
> > >If
> > >> this is indeed true, then this is a new low in
> > the "Anything For A Buck"
> > >> category.
> > >>
> > >>             Maybe Mount can explain this one to
> > us, and CC his "Board of
> > >> Advisors", so we can at least see a list of who
> > approves of this kind of
> > >> nonsense, if indeed it is even true, which is
> > hard to believe, and see who
> > >it
> > >> is that is obviously trying desperately to put an
> > end to diving as we know
> > >> it, or at least cave and "tec" diving as we know
> > it. I can see one of
> > >these
> > >> newpaper headlines now, "12 year old drowns in
> > cave, writes note to mommy
> > >on
> > >> tank, IANTD card found in MIkey Mouse lunch box
> > on bike".
> > >>
> > >>             What next?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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