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I can see clearly now why JJ, started a quality training agency.... good for you! Mounts instructors up here in Canada are equally just as bad.... there is one guy that takes 2 years to teach a trimix class..... he just keeps milking the students, getting them to keep paying all his expenses. Trey wrote: > Scott, go to the IANTD web page and see a whole bunch of ridiculous. This > guy is not only a dumb fuck , he is an unscrupulous, money grubbing scum in > my book. > > Then when the dyslexic, sub-human IQ , uneducated, illiterate moron gets > called on it, he wants to talk about me doing cocaine 16 years ago when his > 300 pound kid is out of prison on parole for dealing it. > > This is the kind of myopic idiot Mouth is. The lowest form of trash, and > incapable of justifying anything he does with any argument that makes any > sense. > > Thank God for other training agencies. > > From: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*> > To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; <heinerth@gt*.ne*>; <trey@ne*.co*> > Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>; <techdiver@aq*.co*> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > this has got be the most ridiculous horseshit i have seen so far. rules > and > > age limits exist for a reason. my parents might want me to drive at 14, > > and they may try to take me to secretly do it, but it is still not > allowed. > > do you just make up the rules as you go. you cannot sky dive at 12, so > why > > should you go in an overhead environment. oh, i know. it is because the > > parents have some cash for you. for once, just try to stand for something > > besides a buck. tell them that they cannot be trained. why is that so > > fucking hard? if the cds and nacd will not train cavern at 12, neither > > should you. > > > > > > >From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > >Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > >To: "Jill Heinerth" <heinerth@gt*.ne*>, "Scott Landon" > > ><js_landon@ho*.co*>, "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> > > >CC: <cavers@cavers.com>, "a n" <techdiver@aq*.co*> > > >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:09:13 -0400 > > > > > >No it is something you do not understand it is the truth > > > > > >By the way yes we do have an overhead course for 12 year olds cavern not > > >cave and not intro cave.They have to do it with their guardian and dive > > >with > > >the guardian who is most likely the parents or if the legal guardian > > >someone > > >they trust a lot. > > > > > >Would you rather that the parents just take their kids on these dives > with > > >no training because they do when not given the ability to have them > > >trained. > > >and they are kept on OW gear. For many in central Florida and other > similar > > >areas there is little option for diving if they do no go into a cavern > > > > > >I think you will find IANTD was not the first to offer this program and > it > > >will not be the last. We usually lead in this case we followed but better > > >trained than just following the parents. No they cannot dive > unsupervised, > > >yes we think this will prevent accidents. and it has been in the > standards > > >for many years it is not new. > > > > > >Tom Mount > > >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD > > >TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* > > >Please note my new eMail address > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > >To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon > > ><js_landon@ho*.co*>; <heinerth@gt*.ne*> > > >Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > >Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:57 PM > > >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > > > > > > > > Tom, is this from that lying bitch who said she went 10 grand at > Wakulla > > >, > > > > "World Record Jill"? Oh, I believe her. We all do. Tell her to get a > new > > >set > > > > of wheels for her mobile home and drag it to Arkansas with the rest > of > > >the > > > > liars. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > > To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:40 PM > > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > > > This can be forwarded to the list since it represents the accurate > > > > picture: > > > > > > > > > > The student at Little River under private instruction from Paul > > >Heinerth > > > > was > > > > > "interested" in the possibility of cave training and diving double > > >tanks. > > > > > She > > > > > is very petite, but 25 years old. She did an orientation dive in the > > >open > > > > > water > > > > > at Little River on the double tanks and some preliminary cavern > swims > > >with > > > > a > > > > > reel down to the permanent guideline and back a couple of times. She > > > > carried > > > > > her own doubles up and down the steps at Little River and with the > > > > guidnace > > > > > of > > > > > her instructor and fiance chose to delay continued training until > she > > >had > > > > an > > > > > opportunity to spend some time at the gym preparing to carry double > > >tanks. > > > > > She > > > > > was quite sore after the day's activities. > > > > > I hope everyone recalls how challenging it can be when starting > > >anything > > > > new > > > > > in > > > > > life. Sometimes we need a "taste" to see how much we have to learn. > > >After > > > > a > > > > > discovery experience with a trained and sensitive instructor, > > >sometimes > > > > > individuals can then have a better appreciation for the preparation > > >that > > > > > they > > > > > will need before continuing dive training. > > > > > Everyone deserves to have the chance to learn and be a "guppie." > Most > > >of > > > > the > > > > > divers on this list will likely recall less than graceful times in > > >their > > > > > past. > > > > > When new divers are nurtured, they often blossom into wonderful, > > >talented > > > > > and > > > > > carfeul technical divers. Sometimes they don't. We all deserve a > right > > >to > > > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > Jill Heinerth > > > > > > > > > > Tom Mount wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > Thanks I'm not on the list either but they copy stuff like this to > > >me, > > > > > > Imagined it would be something like that > > > > > > > > > > > > May I forward this to the list as some who read do not know better > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Mount > > > > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD > > > > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* > > > > > Please note my new eMail address > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon > > > > > <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the > > >water > > > > > at > > > > > > Little River, her "motha"? Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern > > >at > > > > > little > > > > > > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were > > >used > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, > why > > >is > > > > it > > > > > > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and > > >the > > > > > > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a > > > > straight > > > > > > answer to a question? > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to > screw > > >up > > > > and > > > > > > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret > Wineberg > > > > > > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What > next? > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > > > > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >
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