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From: "Todd Baldi" <todd_baldi@ho*.co*>
To: trey@ne*.co*, todd_baldi@ho*.co*, scottk@hc*.co*,
     mhkane@pr*.ne*
Cc: techdiver@aq*.co*, cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: Most Important Piece fo Equipment wasRe: Series of recent deaths
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:35:39 CDT
George,

Thanks for the response. I know you have bounced people from dive sites for 
having stroke gear etc... but I wondered what you did if someone didn't show 
the same commitment to taking care of themselves on a regular basis.

I noticed you do rip people new ones for diving stroke gear but the one 
thing I never see mentioned on a lot of these posts about fatalities is "Was 
the person in shape?"

I would think that would rank right up there with "Was he diving stroke 
gear?" but I dont ever see the fitness question addressed when people post 
about a fatality.

Todd


>From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
>To: "Todd Baldi" <todd_baldi@ho*.co*>, <scottk@hc*.co*>, 
><mhkane@pr*.ne*>
>CC: <techdiver@aq*.co*>, <cavers@cavers.com>
>Subject: Most Important Piece fo Equipment wasRe: Series of recent deaths
>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:36:35 -0400
>
>
>
>
>Todd, I do not "require" any workout regimen out of my
>divers, I merely lead by example. It is pretty
>embarrasing when  48 yer old guy can severely out gun
>the 20-30 year old's in every measure of athletic
>performance, stamina , strength fitness and look. I do
>not have to do anything but take my shirt off to get
>that point across, and remind them who never gets
>cold, tired , injured or bent. They take it from
>there.
>
>Obviously,JJ and  my top guns are in the same category
>as me. While other than JJ they are not all around
>tops in every category, they all do what they do very
>seriously. Many are marathon runners, Iron Man
>triatheletes, sprint triatheletes, Masters swimmers,
>or cyclists.
>
>My main message and example is show up every day and
>do something, no matter what, and that is what I have
>done for my whole life, with even more intensity the
>last ten years. Besides being the key to fitness, it
>is the key to longevity and quality of life and health
>in every regard.
>
>I have no aches or pains, no problem doing anyting ,
>no problem running or lifting weights with my 19 year
>old son, no problem doing the Iron Man, etc. I can
>still bench press more than twice my weight and run a
>sub 11 second 100 yds. or do any distance swimning,
>running or on the bike.
>
>I guess you could say I effectively "require" fitness
>since to do the dives I ask thes guys to do, it is
>essential. Diving and especaily diving in the WKPP
>seems to get people thinking fitness in every way.
>Most no longer drink, obviously do not smoke, smoke
>pot or use drugs, and most take fitness and health
>very seriously.
>
>Some of the girls on the team are the same: Dawn
>Kernagis can kick some ass on a bike or a swim, and
>Pina can run like a rocket forever. It really shows on
>the dopler tests.
>
> >George,
> >
> >I read a lot on the list and the WKPP website
>regarding gear configuration
> >but I rarely see any mention of the most important
>piece of equipment, your
> >body.
> >
> >I am familiar with your workout regimine through
>private emails and some
> >discussion on the list. Could you please give a
>rundown on what the other
> >WKPP divers do to maintain their shape.  Is there
>some set workout rountine
> >that you require for WKPP divers? Plus what training,
>other than what is
> >listed on your forms do you require your divers to go
>through?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Todd
> >
> >>From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
> >>To: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>, "MHK"
><mhkane@pr*.ne*>
> >>CC: "List - Technical Diver"
><techdiver@aq*.co*>, <cavers@cavers.com>
> >>Subject: Re: Series of recent deaths
> >>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:22:22 -0400
> >>
> >>go to http://www.wkpp.org and then "Equipment" and
> >>then the DIR gear config article - it is all there.
> >>
> >>The direct url is
> >>http://www.wkpp.org/articles/Gear/newgeorge.html
> >>
> >>Try to understand it in its entirety.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>
> >>To: George Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>; MHK
> >><mhkane@pr*.ne*>
> >>Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:01 PM
> >>Subject: Fw: Series of recent deaths
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.re*.co*>
> >> >Newsgroups: rec.scuba
> >> >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:00 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Series of recent deaths
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Its going to get worse before it gets better.
> >> >>
> >> >> The more people die, the louder We bitch, and
>the
> >>harder they argue and
> >> >look
> >> >> elsewhere for a place to put the blame.
>Disclaimers
> >>keep you out of court,
> >> >> but
> >> >> court isn't the only authority people are going
>to
> >>have to answer to.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am almost pissed off at Maffatone. What a
>waste.
> >>Everyone said shit like
> >> >> "Oh, he died doing what he loved." Fuck that
> >>bullshit. He died
> >> >> traumatically, scared and alone. There was
>nothing
> >>glamorous about his
> >> >> death. He drowned. Its was simply a fucking
>waste
> >>of a good man, and a
> >> >> veteran. He was not only a feather in the cap of
> >>his friends, he was a
> >> >> feather in the cap of our country. As long as
> >>people accept a *needless*
> >> >> death like this, and justify it because he was
> >>"doing what he loved", more
> >> >> are doomed to follow. Its all in the mindset,
> >>people. I didn't know the
> >> >man,
> >> >> and imagine it would be quite a privilege to
>have
> >>made his acquaintance.
> >> >> Those of you who did know him, will miss him.
>Those
> >>of us who didn't know
> >> >> him are glad we don't have the pain you do.
> >> >>
> >> >> And for what? I cant really find any good lesson
> >>from this mans death.
> >> >>
> >> >> People who get pissed about the list "Reasons
>for
> >>you strokes to shut the
> >> >> fuck up and listen", will have to get used to
>the
> >>idea of the existence of
> >> >> the list, because it is growing exponentially.
>Its
> >>continued growth is fed
> >> >> by greed, ego, stupid pride, and politeness.
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott
> >> >>
> >> >> "MHK" <mhkane@PR*.NE*> wrote in message
> >> >>
> >>news:8mup78$26n4$1@ne*.ne*.pr*.co*...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Given that there have been a series of recent
> >>tragedies, I hope everyone
> >> >> > will take an extra minute or so prior to there
> >>next dive and take a look
> >> >> at
> >> >> > there diving..  Hopefully you'll ask yourself,
>is
> >>there anything I can
> >> >do
> >> >> to
> >> >> > make this dive safer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It seems, based upon the accounts that I have
> >>reviewed, that most of
> >> >these
> >> >> > deaths were some experienced divers.
>Complacency
> >>kills, and I know we
> >> >> like
> >> >> > to have a bunch of fun on this NG and beat
>each
> >>other up now and again.
> >> >> But
> >> >> > no matter what side of the DIR coin you side
>on,
> >>please take a fresh
> >> >look
> >> >> at
> >> >> > your diving and try to remain safe..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The only remaining contribution these diver's
>can
> >>leave us with is that
> >> >we
> >> >> > can look at there mistakes and learn from
>them.
> >>Death is an unfortunate
> >> >> > byproduct of our sport and should be looked at
>as
> >>a learning tool.  What
> >> >> can
> >> >> > be learned, and how can we avoid it from
> >>happening again..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My condoleseces to all the families that have
> >>suffered, may they rest in
> >> >> > peace..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stay safe....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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