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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:49:48 -0700
From: Jim Greene <j_greene@pa*.ne*>
Subject: Re: One of your users is guilty of fraud,waste and abuse of Gove
     rnment property.
To: Timothy.McMahon@us*.go*, diving@mo*.co*, cavers@cavers.com
And, such use is authorized on the employee's own time, if it doesn't run
counter to the interests of his agency.

Settle down and tend your own garden.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO*>
To: <diving@mo*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: One of your users is guilty of fraud,waste and abuse of Gove
rnment property.


> Mark Bush,
> This does not rise to the level of fraud, waste or abuse.
>
> tim mcmahon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diving@mo*.co* [SMTP:diving@mo*.co*]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:49 AM
> > To: webmaster@US*.GO*
> > Cc: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO*
> > Subject: One of your users is guilty of fraud, waste and abuse of
> > Government property.
> >
> > I received the message below which appears to be sent from a US
Government
> > internet address.  The sender, Timothy.McMahon, is accessing a technical
> > diving chat room using this government address.  If this is not in line
> > with his official duties you should make his direct supervisor and
section
> > supervisor aware of this activity.
> >
> > Mark Bush
> >
> > >From: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO*
> > >To: diving@mo*.co*
> > >Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots"
> > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:44:49 -0400
> > >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
> > >
> > >Your comments below:
> > > "If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant,
> > >prejudiced, bigot
> > > on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET IDIOT
> > >concerning
> > > public etiquette and good manners.  You have no credibility.  You
> > >waste
> > > bandwidth.  You in the diver chat networks and bulletin boards know
> > >who you
> > > are.  Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great favor.
> > >JOIN US!"
> > >
> > > are clearly an attack and as such you have shown yourself to be "AN
> > >INTERNET IDIOT".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: diving@mo*.co* [SMTP:diving@mo*.co*]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:31 AM
> > >> To: techdiver@aq*.co*; cavers@cavers.com
> > >> Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots"
> > >>
> > >> I guess that I'm also a charter member of the SCUBA fight club.  I
took
> > >> the
> > >> YMCA's eight week survival (SCUBA) course in 1973.  The instructor
was
> > ex
> > >> US Navy.  There were 16 students who started the course.  At 16 years
> > old
> > >> I
> > >> was the youngest.  The oldest student was 24.  There was one female
> > >> student
> > >> because her boyfriend was Chris, the son of the owner of Harry's Dive
> > >> Shop.
> > >>
> > >> We did endless swimming and snorkeling laps of the Olympic pool at
the
> > >> Metarie, Louisiana YMCA.  I guess the conditioning lasted all of two
> > weeks
> > >> after the end of the course.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, the divemasters harrassed us when we were in the water.  This
was
> > >> thought to be necessary to "weed out those unfit for diving".  It
just
> > >> weeded out those who couldn't tolerate being harrassed.
> > >>
> > >> I remember that four of us at a time jumped into the deep end of the
> > pool
> > >> and took off all of our gear.  We did an unescorted free acsent to
the
> > >> surface while a divemaster stirred up our four sets of dive equipment
> > on
> > >> the bottom.  We had to jump in, go down, sort out our equipment, and
> > put
> > >> on
> > >> the correct equipment before we could all come up.
> > >>
> > >> I can see the dive industries insurance companies having a collective
> > >> heart
> > >> attack if we proposed these training standards now.
> > >>
> > >> Of the 16 students only 12 finished the course.  For the dropouts
SCUBA
> > >> became "too hard" in reality for the dream that they had nurtured for
> > >> years.  It was really a shame.  In today's diver training environment
> > any
> > >> one of these young, fit, previously enthusiastic drop outs would be
an
> > >> Instructor's dream student who would breeze through a beginner SCUBA
> > >> course.
> > >>
> > >> Our two checkout dives were on a scrap of coral reef out of Destin,
> > >> Florida.  I think we went twice to 95 feet.
> > >>
> > >> In my first 10 dives I don't think we didn't dive any shallower than
65
> > >> feet.  I know that 6 of the first 10 dives in open ocean were to 90+
> > feet,
> > >> two were cave dives to 100+ feet and two were nighttime cave dives
> > deeper
> > >> than 60 feet.
> > >>
> > >> We all had a watch, a depth gauge and a copy of the US Navy tables.
> > Some
> > >> of us had pressure gauges, some of us had "J" valves.  We had 65 or
72
> > >> cubic feet of air in steel tanks and we didn't have BCDs.  We had
"Mae
> > >> West" vests for emergency surface floatation.  We had a lot of fun.
We
> > >> planned our dives and dove the plan.  We were divers.
> > >>
> > >> On the boat after my second dive I saw a guy who had been diving
> > without a
> > >> watch, depth gauge or pressure gauge get bent.  He had a painful
> > shoulder
> > >> joint hit and right arm paralysis after his second dive.  He had a
> > diving
> > >> license and had been trained but he wasn't a diver.  HE WAS AN IDIOT!
> > >>
> > >> Today with scientific training methods, fabulous equipment, computer
> > >> assistance, and detailed technical knowledge free for the asking, WE
> > STILL
> > >> HAVE IDIOTS!  Don't call them divers no matter what their license
says.
> > >>
> > >> Idiots who dive come from all training environments and all training
> > >> organizations.  Idiots even come from all areas of human endeavor.
If
> > >> idiots choose to exercise their right to ignore the rules when diving
> > on
> > >> their own, you can't blame the training organization that tried so
hard
> > to
> > >> teach good rules.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone who has been around the world and kept their eyes opened sees
> > good
> > >> people everywhere and bad people everywhere.  Good and bad is a
> > function
> > >> of
> > >> the individual's free choice OR the perception of the observer and
not
> > >> automatically of any race, religion, nationality, government,
> > occupation,
> > >> education or diver training organization.
> > >>
> > >> You seriously damage your own credibility when you PUBLICALLY attack
> > >> another person who dives (even if they are an idiot) and you render
> > your
> > >> own credibility null and void when you take on an entire diver
training
> > >> organization.
> > >>
> > >> If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant, prejudiced,
> > >> bigot
> > >> on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET IDIOT
> > concerning
> > >> public etiquette and good manners.  You have no credibility.  You
waste
> > >> bandwidth.  You in the diver chat networks and bulletin boards know
who
> > >> you
> > >> are.  Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great favor.  JOIN
> > US!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >

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