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Is this how discussions/arguments are solved? I'm going to tell your boss? Just like a little kid saying, "I'm going to tell your mommy".... :-) -----Original Message----- From: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO* [SMTP:Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO*] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:53 PM To: diving@mo*.co*; cavers@cavers.com Subject: RE: One of your users is guilty of fraud, waste and abuse of Gove rnment property. Mark Bush, This does not rise to the level of fraud, waste or abuse. tim mcmahon > -----Original Message----- > From: diving@mo*.co* [SMTP:diving@mo*.co*] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:49 AM > To: webmaster@US*.GO* > Cc: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO* > Subject: One of your users is guilty of fraud, waste and abuse of > Government property. > > I received the message below which appears to be sent from a US Government > internet address. The sender, Timothy.McMahon, is accessing a technical > diving chat room using this government address. If this is not in line > with his official duties you should make his direct supervisor and section > supervisor aware of this activity. > > Mark Bush > > >From: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO* > >To: diving@mo*.co* > >Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots" > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:44:49 -0400 > >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) > > > >Your comments below: > > "If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant, > >prejudiced, bigot > > on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET IDIOT > >concerning > > public etiquette and good manners. You have no credibility. You > >waste > > bandwidth. You in the diver chat networks and bulletin boards know > >who you > > are. Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great favor. > >JOIN US!" > > > > are clearly an attack and as such you have shown yourself to be "AN > >INTERNET IDIOT". > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: diving@mo*.co* [SMTP:diving@mo*.co*] > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:31 AM > >> To: techdiver@aq*.co*; cavers@cavers.com > >> Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots" > >> > >> I guess that I'm also a charter member of the SCUBA fight club. I took > >> the > >> YMCA's eight week survival (SCUBA) course in 1973. The instructor was > ex > >> US Navy. There were 16 students who started the course. At 16 years > old > >> I > >> was the youngest. The oldest student was 24. There was one female > >> student > >> because her boyfriend was Chris, the son of the owner of Harry's Dive > >> Shop. > >> > >> We did endless swimming and snorkeling laps of the Olympic pool at the > >> Metarie, Louisiana YMCA. I guess the conditioning lasted all of two > weeks > >> after the end of the course. > >> > >> Yes, the divemasters harrassed us when we were in the water. This was > >> thought to be necessary to "weed out those unfit for diving". It just > >> weeded out those who couldn't tolerate being harrassed. > >> > >> I remember that four of us at a time jumped into the deep end of the > pool > >> and took off all of our gear. We did an unescorted free acsent to the > >> surface while a divemaster stirred up our four sets of dive equipment > on > >> the bottom. We had to jump in, go down, sort out our equipment, and > put > >> on > >> the correct equipment before we could all come up. > >> > >> I can see the dive industries insurance companies having a collective > >> heart > >> attack if we proposed these training standards now. > >> > >> Of the 16 students only 12 finished the course. For the dropouts SCUBA > >> became "too hard" in reality for the dream that they had nurtured for > >> years. It was really a shame. In today's diver training environment > any > >> one of these young, fit, previously enthusiastic drop outs would be an > >> Instructor's dream student who would breeze through a beginner SCUBA > >> course. > >> > >> Our two checkout dives were on a scrap of coral reef out of Destin, > >> Florida. I think we went twice to 95 feet. > >> > >> In my first 10 dives I don't think we didn't dive any shallower than 65 > >> feet. I know that 6 of the first 10 dives in open ocean were to 90+ > feet, > >> two were cave dives to 100+ feet and two were nighttime cave dives > deeper > >> than 60 feet. > >> > >> We all had a watch, a depth gauge and a copy of the US Navy tables. > Some > >> of us had pressure gauges, some of us had "J" valves. We had 65 or 72 > >> cubic feet of air in steel tanks and we didn't have BCDs. We had "Mae > >> West" vests for emergency surface floatation. We had a lot of fun. We > >> planned our dives and dove the plan. We were divers. > >> > >> On the boat after my second dive I saw a guy who had been diving > without a > >> watch, depth gauge or pressure gauge get bent. He had a painful > shoulder > >> joint hit and right arm paralysis after his second dive. He had a > diving > >> license and had been trained but he wasn't a diver. HE WAS AN IDIOT! > >> > >> Today with scientific training methods, fabulous equipment, computer > >> assistance, and detailed technical knowledge free for the asking, WE > STILL > >> HAVE IDIOTS! Don't call them divers no matter what their license says. > >> > >> Idiots who dive come from all training environments and all training > >> organizations. Idiots even come from all areas of human endeavor. If > >> idiots choose to exercise their right to ignore the rules when diving > on > >> their own, you can't blame the training organization that tried so hard > to > >> teach good rules. > >> > >> Anyone who has been around the world and kept their eyes opened sees > good > >> people everywhere and bad people everywhere. Good and bad is a > function > >> of > >> the individual's free choice OR the perception of the observer and not > >> automatically of any race, religion, nationality, government, > occupation, > >> education or diver training organization. > >> > >> You seriously damage your own credibility when you PUBLICALLY attack > >> another person who dives (even if they are an idiot) and you render > your > >> own credibility null and void when you take on an entire diver training > >> organization. > >> > >> If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant, prejudiced, > >> bigot > >> on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET IDIOT > concerning > >> public etiquette and good manners. You have no credibility. You waste > >> bandwidth. You in the diver chat networks and bulletin boards know who > >> you > >> are. Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great favor. JOIN > US! > >> > >> > >
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