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From: "Mcinnis, Don" <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*>
To: "'Mark Bush'" <diving@mo*.co*>, techdiver@aq*.co*,
     cavers@cavers.com
Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots"
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:33:22 -0500
Mark,

I gotta disagree with you here. Being quiet and just shaking your head at
the idiots does nothing to institute the changes needed to where the
agencies WON'T be turning out the idiots any more. It takes a lot more
courage to open your mouth and call bullshit than it does to just be quiet
and let it continue to happen.

	Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bush [mailto:diving@mo*.co*]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:31 AM
To: techdiver@aq*.co*; cavers@cavers.com
Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots"

<BIG SNIPS>

Today with scientific training methods, fabulous equipment, computer
assistance, and detailed technical knowledge free for the asking, WE STILL
HAVE IDIOTS!  Don't call them divers no matter what their license says.

Idiots who dive come from all training environments and all training
organizations.  Idiots even come from all areas of human endeavor.  If
idiots choose to exercise their right to ignore the rules when diving on
their own, you can't blame the training organization that tried so hard to
teach good rules.

Anyone who has been around the world and kept their eyes opened sees good
people everywhere and bad people everywhere.  Good and bad is a function of
the individual's free choice OR the perception of the observer and not
automatically of any race, religion, nationality, government, occupation,
education or diver training organization.

You seriously damage your own credibility when you PUBLICALLY attack
another person who dives (even if they are an idiot) and you render your
own credibility null and void when you take on an entire diver training
organization.

If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant, prejudiced, bigot
on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET IDIOT concerning
public etiquette and good manners.  You have no credibility.  You waste
bandwidth.  You in the diver chat networks and bulletin boards know who you
are.  Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great favor.  JOIN US!


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