No, you are full of shit and you are missing the point - they made a deal an
reneged - that guy will get no second chance - we do not deal with scumbags,
and Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a scumbag. You can call it what you
want, it is a renege on a business deal.

There is no "reason" that can justify behavior like this, so quit trying.
You are wrong.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Blundell <daveblundell@op*.co*.au*>
To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
Cc: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>;
bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*>;
cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000


>Guys,
>
>For christ's sake get the bloody facts right.
>
>1   We have nothing to do with TDI  full stop.
>
>2    Couldn't give a toss who put on the show.  TDI, IANTD, GUE, PADI - who
>cares!!!!!
>
>3  We are divers who would go to any bloody show, because it is about
diving,
>not about bullshit on the internet.
>
>We  pay our money we go.  If next year you guys come, we pay our money we
go
>
>It is so simple maybe I should spell it out on the side of a tank.
>
>Richard organized the show, and he his doing a great job.  When nobody else
does
>it or wants to do it.  Is it any wonder.
>
>You factual information Research Engineers  (Known as bullshit artists in
Aust.)
>living on the other side of the world have no bloody idea.
>
>Look at the bloody programme, and tell us all how to fit every single
person who
>has
>contributed to diving since its conception in to a single weekend, like
some of
>you suggest.
>
>I and a lot of us would have like to have met JJ, from what we hear he is a
>reasonable bloke who hasn't got his head up his arse.  JJ coming over fell
apart
>and that's a pity.  But I don't really care as to why as we all know that
it has
>nothing to do with DIR or similar bullshit reasons.  If you lot hadn't
jumped on
>the band wagon  and carried on, then one would like to think that JJ and
others
>would accept an invitation to come here next year.
>
>You lot have it so wrong that it is sad and unfortunate.
>
>To JJ, I am sorry that it didn't work out.  Australia is a nice place and
you
>would have enjoyed it.  Hopefully you can see above the bullshit and be
able to
>come here in the near future.  It has nothing to do with TDI or anti DIR.
>
>We have not had any shows like this for many years, and this is the second
one
>we have had recently.  if it works out, and Richard doesn't burn out then
maybe
>there might be another next year.
>
>Hopefully we may see you then
>
>Regards
>
>
>Dave.
>
>Mike Bruic wrote:
>
>> John, by your own admission, it seems like JJ will not be at the Oz
Stroke
>> Festival because of politics, and politics alone.
>>
>> You wrote;
>>
>> >>Stick to diving your way and leave the
>> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
>>
>> John, this says "everything" about you, and TDI. It would seem that you
>> clowns are scarred of showing the people of Australia the real deal in
>> diving in fear of loosing profit. Op's, I'm sorry, I forgot, you guys are
>> all about profit, profit, profit and nothing else but profit with piss
poor
>> instructors in my judgement after looking at your safety record (death
>> toll).
>>
>> Bruic
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>> To: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut
Mail
>> <techdiver@aq*.co*>
>> Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>>
>> > John, you are way off base here. Let's look at the facts; your TDI boy
>> > arranged a conference. JJ was asked to speak. The conference promised
to
>> pay
>> > all of his expenses.
>> >
>> > JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements, and adjusted his schedule
>> > accordingly. He is a man of his word, and thought he was dealing with
>> like.
>> >
>> > HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit. This is not politics,  this
is
>> bad
>> > business and an example of what I have been saying about these people
all
>> > along, and once again, we are proven correct.
>> >
>> > Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar, and you are no better for
>> defending
>> > behavior like this. There is no excuse for being lying scumbag, John,
but
>> if
>> > you want to try to tell me a good one, go ahead and put it on here for
all
>> > to see and judge.
>> >
>> > You guys are not fooling anyone .
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
>> > To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>;
Aquanaut
>> > Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*>
>> > Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM
>> > Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>> >
>> >
>> > >Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed. All you are doing here is
fucking
>> > up
>> > >something you know nothing about. Stick to diving your way and leave
the
>> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
>> > >
>> > >Johnny Mack
>> > >Down Under.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
>> > >To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*>
>> > >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM
>> > >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> At 08:26  2/07/00 , Trey wrote:
>> > >> >Jarrod, is it true the  organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head
of
>> > TDI?
>> > >Is
>> > >> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on
the
>> > >boat
>> > >> >when Rob Palmer died?
>> > >> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last
year,
>> and
>> > >> >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of
>> > strokes
>> > >> >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted
the
>> > real
>> > >> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to get
any
>> > >> >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum.
>> > >>
>> > >> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list
>> > >> and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia
>> > >> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually.
>> > >> One public, and one private one.
>> > >>
>> > >> In his public response, the local TDI head wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>  > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and
>> > >>  > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is
>> > >>  > none of your business."
>> > >>
>> > >> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and
>> > >> it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't
>> > >> welcome.
>> > >>
>> > >> So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put
>> > >> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show,
>> > >> under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss
>> > >> them off completely.
>> > >>
>> > >> But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke-
>> > >> screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused.
>> > >> I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the
>> > >> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very
>> > >> excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that
>> > >> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession
>> > >> by email.
>> > >>
>> > >> There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that
>> > >> when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate
>> > >> glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they
>> > >> lied instead.
>> > >>
>> > >> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly
>> > >> charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to
>> > >> bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the
>> > >> real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training,
>> > >> equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco
>> > >> advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and,
>> > >> (as the t-shirt says):
>> > >>
>> > >>        no deep air no personal preference
>> > >>       no stuffed hose no bondage wings no
>> > >>       air bail-out no steel slings no dual
>> > >>       bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix
>> > >>         no tom no brett no bazza no rt
>> > >>               N O  S T R O K E S !!!
>> > >>
>> > >> Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all
>> > >> the underhand stuff.
>> > >>
>> > >> rgrds        billyw
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
>> > >> > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
>> > >> > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co*
>> > ><quest@gu*.co*>
>> > >> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM
>> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> >This one is classic.
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I committed
to
>>
>> > >the
>> > >> > >date.
>> > >> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not something
I
>> > >take
>> > >> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept the
>> spot
>> > >open
>> > >> > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my
girlfriend a
>> > >trip
>> > >> >to
>> > >> > >>> >Australia.
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company
>> sponsor
>> > >the
>> > >> > >event
>> > >> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter.
>> > >> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that says
we
>> > >have
>> > >> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can
>> > properly
>> > >> > >support
>> > >> > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough
to
>> let
>> > >you
>> > >> > >have
>> > >> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for you.
>> > Rather
>> > >> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers
other
>> > >than
>> > >> > >>>myslef.
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then
>> > >volunteered
>> > >> > >to
>> > >> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their
response.
>> No
>> > >> > >>>thanks<G>
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth but
I
>> am
>> > >sure
>> > >> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and now
I
>> > have
>> > >a
>> > >> > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people
>> > >seemingly
>> > >> > >afraid
>> > >> > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet
people
>> > >> > >interested
>> > >> > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry girlfriend.
We
>> > >plan
>> > >> >to
>> > >> > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR
>> > >demonstrations.
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >Politics at its best.
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >Best,
>> > >> > >>> >JJ
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100,
>> > >Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
>> > >> > >wrote:
>> > >> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer
>> coming
>> > >to
>> > >> > >OzTek
>> > >> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month.
>> > >> > >>> >>
>> > >> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from them
>> both
>> > >and
>> > >> > >now
>> > >> > >>> >>nothing...
>> > >> > >>> >>
>> > >> > >>> >>
>> > >> > >>>
>> >
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>> > >> > >>> >
>> > >> > >>> >President-
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>> > >> > >>> >CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
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>> > >scuba
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>> > >> > >www.tankfill.com
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>> scuba
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