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From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:31:55 +1000
To: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*>
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
Cc: cavers@cavers.com
At 06:31  5/07/00 , David Blundell wrote:
>Billy,
>
>Good idea.
>
>Create your own list and Stroke Bash all you like.
>
>Leave the rest of the people who enjoy diving alone.

Dave, this isn't about lists or diving or stroke 
bashing (except for the T-shirt). This is about who 
you can trust and whether TDI is jerking you around. 

rgrds billyw

ps. Can I interest you in a t-shirt?


>As always,
>
>regards
>
>Dave.
>
>bdi@wh*.ne* wrote:
>
> > At 08:26  2/07/00 , Trey wrote:
> > >Jarrod, is it true the  organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head of TDI?
Is
> > >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on the boat
> > >when Rob Palmer died?
> > >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last year, and
> > >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of strokes
> > >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience?
> > >
> > >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted the real
> > >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to get any
> > >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum.
> >
> > Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list
> > and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia
> > (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually.
> > One public, and one private one.
> >
> > In his public response, the local TDI head wrote:
> >
> >  > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and
> >  > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is
> >  > none of your business."
> >
> > So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and
> > it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't
> > welcome.
> >
> > So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put
> > Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show,
> > under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss
> > them off completely.
> >
> > But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke-
> > screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused.
> > I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the
> > TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very
> > excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that
> > wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession
> > by email.
> >
> > There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that
> > when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate
> > glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they
> > lied instead.
> >
> > Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly
> > charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to
> > bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the
> > real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training,
> > equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco
> > advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and,
> > (as the t-shirt says):
> >
> >        no deep air no personal preference
> >       no stuffed hose no bondage wings no
> >       air bail-out no steel slings no dual
> >       bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix
> >         no tom no brett no bazza no rt
> >               N O  S T R O K E S !!!
> >
> > Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all
> > the underhand stuff.
> >
> > rgrds        billyw
> >
> > >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
> > > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
> > > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co* <quest@gu*.co*>
> > > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM
> > > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >This one is classic.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I committed to the
> > > >date.
> > > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not something I take
> > > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept the spot
open
> > > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my girlfriend a trip
> > >to
> > > >>> >Australia.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company sponsor the
> > > >event
> > > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter.
> > > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that says we have
> > > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can properly
> > > >support
> > > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough to let
you
> > > >have
> > > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for you. Rather
> > > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers other than
> > > >>>myslef.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then
volunteered
> > > >to
> > > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their response. No
> > > >>>thanks<G>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth but I am
sure
> > > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and now I have 
a
> > > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people seemingly
> > > >afraid
> > > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet people
> > > >interested
> > > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry girlfriend. We plan
> > >to
> > > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR demonstrations.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Politics at its best.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Best,
> > > >>> >JJ
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100, Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer coming to
> > > >OzTek
> > > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from them both and
> > > >now
> > > >>> >>nothing...
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>>
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> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Jarrod Jablonski
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >President-
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> > > >>> >CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
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> > > >>>www.tankfill.com
> > > >>> >
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organization
> > > >>> >with hundreds of dedicated members around the world.
> > > >>> >
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> > > >>> >industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by many of
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> > > >>
> > > >>Jarrod Jablonski
> > > >>
> > > >>President-
> > > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> > > >>CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> > > >>VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com,
> > > >www.tankfill.com
> > > >>
> > > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com
> > > >>GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory organization
> > > >>with hundreds of dedicated members around the world.
> > > >>
> > > >>Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
> > > >>Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of the scuba
> > > >>industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by many of
> > > >>diving's most active explorers.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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