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Idiot - you are a liar and a fraud. I unsubscribed you and then posted to the list, and you answered it immeditely. You are subscribed under your real name. You are also a psycotic mental case identifiable by this whole list as such. You have a problem with me and you need to take it up with me personally. Nothing you have said so far has any consistency, bears any truth or has any direction. Now you want me to "leave the shitholes alone"??? What the hell is that mental case comment all about? We control our own diving sites so that we do not have to argue with idiots like you , or tolerate the disaster that is cave diving today. We have that priveledge based on our discipline and organized approach, and our track record bears this out. You do not get that , and neither do the rest of the misfits out there - too bad, it is never going to change. We make our own dive gear and this is made available to others - you have a big problem with that - too bad. You do better and let us know when to buy your dive gear, or STFU about it. I have no financial interst in any of those businesses - go bitch to Jablosnki - go to his shop and tell him he is a "communist" to his face and end up on your lying , fake , pussy ass. You hav a problem with my email ? Run it through a spell check and then read it. You have an "issue"? Spell it out. I control the WKPP - that is all, and that is none of your business, never will be your concern, and that is not going to change. I have an opinion, and will put it out and will support it. You want to argue with that, good luck. I do not care what you and the other "cave divers" do, but will continue to criticize it and support that criticism with logic and facts. That will never change. If you are worried that we ( I ) am going to get "conrtol" of your precious little dive sites and boot you out, well don't - I have no interest outside of the Woodville Karst Plain. Mike Bruic acts on his own, and if he wants to shut you guys out of Madison that is his business, and if Anna Bruic wants to keep cavers out while the summer swimming season is on that is her perogative, and if Mike wants to require whatever he choses to dive there, that is his buiness, and has nothing to do with me. I have been diving there twice in ten years. Mike is obviosly as sick of the bullshit in cave diving as we all are, and is trying to make a point - you don't get it. You don't get that we created our own organization for cave diving, our own gear and our own training agency because your good buddies out there have FAILED so miserably, and that is a fact. Obviously you do not like it, you are part of the problem no matter what you say about diving our gear or methods - I seriously doubt you have any understanding of anything that I "preach", no matter how much you think you do. If you want to "question my authority " you are wasting your time - you can not out-argue my diving logic, and you need never worry about my "authority" - it only applies to the WKPP. By the way , big time, I want to know since when do New Englanders have "summer homes " in Tampa? Give me a break . How about winter homes : if you are going to bullshit, stick to subjects that you are familiar with. How's the Ferarri? Did the butler wash it or did you do it yourself?. Why don't you grow a set and use your real name on here - nobody is going to call your mother. Spell out your real issue - if you just do not like me , then take it up with me personally. jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > When it comes to your so called sport, you can be the best. But you still don't > have a clue. I have met Lloyd once, I have met Dustin once, and I have bought > from JJ's shop. > > You continually avoid my comments about you and your klan wanting to control > the world's cave systems, diving community, and diving gear, by replying in > your posts how good you are nobody has done what we have done. > > As you stated in an earlier email, do you think I give a shit about your > accomplishments. All I asked was for you to leave what you call the shitholes > alone. > > You attempt to reconstruct the truth about this by utilizing a vocabulary that > does not impress those except your good northern redneck friends. In most cases > the attempts to post are blundered by your spelling and grammatical errors. > > You continue to call Jim Rivers a fake, you can have me unsubscribed, but it is > you who feel threatened, who states they don't give a shit about me or what I > think, and then following that line is a 300 word essay, what is with the > continued use of the word gooberized,(north florida slang) do you have some > Andy Griffith fetish? > > Your attempt to reconstruct the truth again does not work, I have never bad > mouth GUI, I am not in the business, and I own Halcyon gear, I dive DIR, I am > impressed with what the WKPP has accomplished as a team. You keep avoiding the > issue, you can't play by the rules, Lit'l Trey wants to take his ball and go > home. > > As far as faking these post, you need to understand Jim Rivers is here to stay, > whether or not he is subscribed to the list with one or several accounts from > several ISPs he is here to "question authority" > > And by default the other agencies are what they are? Another comment that > directly shows you and people like you are in it for the money, you put on this > front of placing the bad attention on others and let's talk about my > accomplishments. > > How have you proved me a fraud and a liar? How have you proved anytihng except > your diving accomplishments? And when I state I am done with this list, it in > way means done with you? > > > We just proved you a fraud and a liar. The thing about you that we all > > see is that you have little or no real understanding or factual picture > > of anything to do with our organiztion, and every time you open your > > misinformed mouth or make one of your mindless threats, we are all > > seeing how far off of reality you really are. You forget how may have > > come before you with the same agenda, and none of them has done anything > > but bring retribution on those they represent. > > > > So far, Fake One, you have not yet had one single piece of information > > or inuendo that was on the money ( forget the psycotic shit, I am > > talking about the clear missing of the whole boat that comes out in > > every one of your tirades ) . There is no reason for us to tell you what > > the truth really is, but it is interesting to see your gooberized > > version. Seeing your version tells us where the bullshit is coming from, > > and those people will be rewarded by us in kind - we can see clearly who > > they are. > > > > I recognize each little comment by you from its original source. For > > instance, LLoyd Bailey is the one who came up with the "communist". > > Dustin Cleezy is the one who came up with the lazer scope reference. > > Some of the other references are more widespread misconceptions , so are > > harder to pin down. > > > > The fact is we all know that LLoyd, Dustin, and Ginnie Springs are sore > > about Jablonski having a dive shop in High Springs that deals all the > > good stuff, and ANYONE can sure understand that. Geez, it does not take > > a rocket scientist, or even a "venture capitalist" to see that if one > > had the choice of going to a shop full of top divers and pros who had > > the best gear avaiable and know how to use it , or to Dustin's little > > place or LLoyds garage , or Ginnie , there is not much of a decison to > > make there. > > > > Sure, we all know that everyone in the "business" is sore that Halcyon > > can manufacture it own stuff in its Ft Lauderdale factory to the exact > > specifications of the best dive team in the world, and the others can > > not , and that EE can make what we use as well, and sell all of it > > cheaper that the bullshit out there that all of you promote , and that > > GUE is the eltite training organiztion and the rest are what they are by > > default, but that is no reason to make up a fake account and try to tell > > us that these people are "bad" for playiong the game so well and finally > > doing what needed to be done in training, diving, gear, and advice. > > > > Look, "Jim", you and the whole "community" can get out your kneepads and > > blow me - I have been doing this for too long , too well, and with too > > much sucess for you strokes to have any effect on anything I do. All of > > you have tried your little hearts out, and here I still am , with more > > on my plate than ever, and seeing more of what I want to see happening > > in diving. > > > > Go have another Bill Main Lobster ( that is where some of this shit came > > from as well, and his "friends" will not forget it ), and warm up those > > kneepads. Tell your pals to expect the best from me. > > > > Liar and a fraud - you are indeed "done" with this list. > > > > > > jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > > > > > Well boys and girls it seems that the GrandDragon did really have me > > > unsubscribed. I am awaiting a response from his sidekick Kato the mail > > > administrator to find out why. > > > > > > It seems that when the heat is in their own kitchen they turn it off as > oppose > > > to facing it. I am done with this list. However the games have just begun. > > > > > > Let's see Mr. Mail Admin, I think you need to address issues with your list > > > server..... http://www.orbs.org > > > > > > more kung fu to come..................... > > > >
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