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Boy I wonder how the old blood pressure is doing now????? I am currently subscribed to cavers as jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* Unlike you, I have made my point. I faired well in the market today and am going to enjoy some Maine Lobster............ Soon timing will be of the essence, and then I will dive where I want...... Enjoy your day....since apparently you don't have a life............. > You are NOT curently subscribed to the list under "jrivers", and were > not when you answered the messages that we not sent to you, but to the > list, and when we met you should have run your mouth about "klan" and > such then, but you do not have the balls. > > You are a liar, a hypocrite and a phoney. You are a typical psycotic > loser who wants to complain about our discipline and style by calling us > "klan", "communist" "grand dragon" , etc, like the other losers in cave > diving before you have for so long, without a clue as to what it is all > about, and without a clue as to why we do what we do or what might be a > "better" approach. > > You have no answers, only the usual crap. We dive wherever we want - you > dive where you are still allowed. Tell me some more psycotic paranoia > about our "control" - what I control is not having to deal with the > likes of you and my track record reflects exactly that. > > jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > > > You obviously do care or you wouldn't of posted this essay. I have no need or > > reason to be jealous of you or your klan. As previously stated, I have no > > desire to dive the holy water you and your following dive. So as previously > > stated leave the so called shitholes alone. > > > > I am glad you can have gear customized to your dive profile needs. I don't need > > that so don't pawn it off on me. > > > > compliments about your blonde hair and blues, hardly....you need to review the > > wording, I was referring to "The perfect race" you are trying to create.....let > > me be more precise......Does "The boys from Brazil" mean anything to > > you....though they had black hair, the theory applies..... > > > > You only wish you knew what having money was, I have no need nor reason to brag > > about money. > > > > I am glad that your klan sets good examples. I also believe when you are > > answering technically related questions on this list you do it extremely well. > > But just as you have avoided in every other email.....you guys will never > > control the world's water..........I mean never....Simon Bar Sinister.... > > > > You all can continue to think this is a fake account but the fact is > > > > Jim Rivers is real, I am subsribed to this list via my road runner account > > (obviously) from Tampa Florida (Summer Home)I live in the NorthEast. Some of > > you have attempted to hack into my account (Backfart, Lucent asshole) and I can > > assure you I will prosecute you in accordance with the Computer Crime laws of > > your state and what Federal juristdiction that may apply if you are > > caught.....Oh I sound like you now don't I............ and here is the kicker > > Trey.....you and I have personally met............... > > > > > "Rivers" - I could care less what you do or who you are. As I suspected, > > > you have no clue what you are talking about and are a huge lying windbag > > > to boot. You don't "piss me off", you are an obvious screwball with > > > nothing to say. The more you slobber on here with insane ravings, the > > > better you make the case that jealosy and misinformed twisted bullshit > > > are the only objections to anything we do or say. Your personal "intenet > > > startup" claims are a joke - you are too much of an proven ignoramus for > > > anyone to believe you or ever take you seriously, and even if you were > > > lucky enough to have any money, nobody here cares, nobody is counting, > > > and your hypocrisy in this self aggrandizement is typical of the > > > "community" type that you are. > > > > > > Thanks for all the complements about my blond hair and blue eyes and > > > body fat and such, but that is not my doing other than in the working > > > out which anyone can drag their lazy ass out and do - A Deus Gloria, ( > > > before you said I was ugly, but I guess that was inbetween psycotic > > > epsisodes ). How do you explain the diversity of the WKPP , and the fact > > > that many dive shops sell gear made by EE and Halcyon, which I have > > > nothing to do with, and that everyone who really wants to learn the real > > > deal in diving is now going to GUE, which I also have NOTHING to do > > > with? Why is a big time money man like you so worried about the price of > > > dive gear that you do not even buy or know how to use? "Jim", has > > > anyone bothered to sit down and expain to you the word "bullshit"? The > > > fact is that we went to manufacturers and asked them to make the gear we > > > formerly had custom made, and Halcyon and EE did so. You can take it or > > > leave it - we don't care, but quit crying about it. > > > > > > How do you explain that the example we set is "bad", and how can you > > > tell me that the discipline I require to dive the sites we dive is > > > "bad", and how can you tell me that any of this is "bad" since it is > > > quite clear by the steady stream of fatality reports that something > > > needs to be improved? > > > > > > The fact is the none of us have any interest in dealing with you or any > > > other babbling mental case, hardened stroke or other form of bullshit. > > > We are interested in reaching those who do not want to have to deal with > > > the likes of you and your champions, and that is what is happening. The > > > bullshit or rubber room squad is your only hope. We offer an altenative > > > to those who want it, not those who necessarily need it, and I am afriad > > > we have nothing for you. > > > > > > You keep an eye on my boys out there and let me know if they are doing > > > anything I don't like - just email me the names and violations and I > > > will credit your stupid ass with the bust. This should keep you busy, > > > Rainman, for quite a while. Let me also suggest a nice antipsycotic with > > > your monring meal, "Jim". As an aside, you know the funny thing about > > > you as a fake is that you could be SO many of the sad sacks out there in > > > the cave community" - you represent them all quite well. > > > > > > jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > > > > > > > I never claimed to have your track record. I never claimed to go as deep > > and as > > > > far as you. I never claimed to do anything for cave diving, though you call > > it > > > > a sport, I guess fox hunting, and big white van smash up derby is to you as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > And what the fuck do you know about venture capital. You small time junk > > bond > > > > broker. I have invested more in one internet startup than you will make in > > your > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > You are correct my resume does not exemplify the qualifications of any > > member > > > > of your team. I have never stated it does. > > > > > > > > But I do not want to be a member of your team. > > > > > > > > I am certain your holy water in Tally is the most pristine cave systems in > > the > > > > world......... So leave the rest of the shitholes alone. Not everyone wants > > to > > > > dive holy water....not everyone wants to go where the best have been. > > > > > > > > I am certain if you were "World Water Dictator", the only people in any cave > > > > system would be divers that do it your way, divers that have .000004 % body > > > > fat, divers you rip off with your equipment 1000% markup sales, divers that > > buy > > > > gear from your klan's shops. Yes we all know the statistics, your divers > > would > > > > be number one with no fatalitites, a perfect safety record, and trophies > > > > galore................................well wake up asshole.......how long > > have > > > > you been preaching all this, how many years, think about it, this isn't > > > > Microsoft, your perfect race of blue eyed blond haired divers are a rare > > breed > > > > and always will be, and yes you may have the best, but they will not be the > > > > only ones, remember "DICK"TATORship won't work here fuckhead. > > > > > > > > I have no need to show you how it is done, and never claimed I have the > > ability > > > > to do so, and yes you can show me how it is done, I have never disagreed > > that > > > > you don't know your shit. But I choose not let "you" do that. I have never > > > > stated your methods of diving are wrong. However whenever you feel > > threatened > > > > you attack people on this list, threaten them with lawsuits. > > > > > > > > What are you guys a monoply, wipe out all the other certification agencies. > > And > > > > you say your not in it for the money........bullshit............. > > > > > > > > and no, just as you tell the others that piss you off on this > > list.........."I > > > > won't go away".................... > > > > > > > > > Rivers, who are you to discuss anything with us? Mabye you can get out > > > > > your logbook, track record, contribution to the sport as well as show us > > > > > what you have done for anyone lately and compare that to mine? Maybe you > > > > > would like to come on up to Tallahasse and show me how it is done? Maybe > > > > > you are just one more piece of "cave community" bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > I am not concerned with what my guys do off site other than that they > > > > > are an embarassment to the team, and when they are, I am the first to > > > > > point it out to everyone publicly, and when they then get killed being > > > > > assholes and idiots, I am the first to point that out.They can be powers > > > > > of example either way - I do not care. At our sites they will do it by > > > > > the book . EITHER way they will prove me right. > > > > > > > > > > You need to either step up with some facts agd figures, or STFU. You do > > > > > not have the resume to play with any of us, and your attempts to be a > > > > > big tougth guy with my support staff are a joke. You just make it easier > > > > > for me make my case about the whole cave diving community with your > > > > > mindless, misdirected drivel and paranoid slop like "communist party" > > > > > and "grand dragon" and " control the State's water supply" - the > > > > > babbling of an true idiot. > > > > > > > > > > You are clearly a mental case as well as a half wit and a liar. > > > > > "Venture captital"? You are already busted for ignorant stupidity in > > > > > several posts that say maybe you invested in the local Mango stand. All > > > > > of your turkey feather puffing is bullshit and the whole list can see > > > > > it. There have been so many of "you" over the years on here who think > > > > > they have the high ground with us - you do not - we have the TR - that > > > > > is track record - something you will never have. > > > > > > > > > > You obviously have zero understanding of anything to do with diving or > > > > > the kind of diving that we do. ZERO - you have never done it and you > > > > > will never do it. You "think" you have a leg to stand on because you are > > > > > probably friends with one of the do nothing big talkers who like to > > > > > badmouth us, but I will invite you or any of them to tell me in my > > > > > "communist" plan where any of your stupidity should come into play? > > > > > Maybe you can tell me at what point in a dive like the kind I do that I > > > > > should start listening to a fuckup like you or any of your mentors? How > > > > > may feet into the cave should I start seeking the advice of a never been > > > > > like you or whomever pulls your strings but does not have the balls to > > > > > come out and tell me directly whey they are right and I am wrong?? You > > > > > just let me know , "Rivers", and then tell me how it is done, and while > > > > > you are at it, tell any of us what you have EVER done. Nothing is the > > > > > answer, as you are a nobody from nowhere with nothing but bullshit to > > > > > say, like the whoel "community". > > > > > > > > > > We keep doing and doing, you all keep yapping and complaining - get out > > > > > here and show me how it is done. You have no answers, in fact you have > > > > > nothing and never will. > > > > > > > > > > jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you idiots keep insisting I am a fake. I believe timing is of the > > > > > > essence. I do not have any issues with anyone in particular, I have > > issues > > > > with > > > > > > people that preach, preach, preach and have a following that listens to > > > > those > > > > > > all mighty words and when the master DIR philospher goes on hiatus the > > rest > > > > of > > > > > > the klan decides to perform the unethical methods that the grand dragon > > was > > > > > > preaching against. > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of the klan members can honestly state they don't do this. I > > have > > > > been > > > > > > to those so called "shitholes" that is frequented by them and > > unfortunately > > > > > > most of the time it is not "them" in the cave, it is "them" the > > individual > > > > on > > > > > > their solo dive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know who the players are out there. But you can only ride your high > > horse > > > > for > > > > > > so long. > > > > > > > > > > > > And I thought JD Hill was some washed up country singer................ > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone from Tampa know who this "jrivers@ta*.rr*.co*" is? > > > > > > Obviously he is a phoney, but which one of the disgruntled is it? In > > > > > > looking back at his pack of lies about himself , his glaring > > > > > > inconsistencies, his large knowledge gaps, and his dementia with regard > > > > > > to many of the players out there, it appears that what we have is a real > > > > > > loser who is actually either one of the regulars or is a student of one > > > > > > of the regulars. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to see this guy either fess up or go ahead and continue to be a > > > > > > fraud, but at least entertain us with why he is qualified to comment on > > > > > > ANYTHING in cave diving, and perhaps give us a a glimpse of his all > > > > > > encompassing knowledge of the sport that can help us all learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have a clue here? Obviously this clown will not be answering this > > > > > > - he has nothing to back him up, but maybe one of you know who he really > > > > > > is and what his real problem is. Did he get outcast by the "Communist > > > > > > Party" or what? He is clearly obsessed with these people and Mike Bruic. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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