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Why don't you children just drop it? If George and Rivers want to insult each other why don't you two do in private - it's getting pretty old. We hear the same thing from George every time someone disagrees with him. George, just ignore us and stop this childish nonsense. Jack -----Original Message----- From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 5:15 AM To: jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* Cc: jd_hill@ju*.co*; cavers@cavers.com Subject: Re: Who is this guy? Rivers, who are you to discuss anything with us? Mabye you can get out your logbook, track record, contribution to the sport as well as show us what you have done for anyone lately and compare that to mine? Maybe you would like to come on up to Tallahasse and show me how it is done? Maybe you are just one more piece of "cave community" bullshit. I am not concerned with what my guys do off site other than that they are an embarassment to the team, and when they are, I am the first to point it out to everyone publicly, and when they then get killed being assholes and idiots, I am the first to point that out.They can be powers of example either way - I do not care. At our sites they will do it by the book . EITHER way they will prove me right. You need to either step up with some facts agd figures, or STFU. You do not have the resume to play with any of us, and your attempts to be a big tougth guy with my support staff are a joke. You just make it easier for me make my case about the whole cave diving community with your mindless, misdirected drivel and paranoid slop like "communist party" and "grand dragon" and " control the State's water supply" - the babbling of an true idiot. You are clearly a mental case as well as a half wit and a liar. "Venture captital"? You are already busted for ignorant stupidity in several posts that say maybe you invested in the local Mango stand. All of your turkey feather puffing is bullshit and the whole list can see it. There have been so many of "you" over the years on here who think they have the high ground with us - you do not - we have the TR - that is track record - something you will never have. You obviously have zero understanding of anything to do with diving or the kind of diving that we do. ZERO - you have never done it and you will never do it. You "think" you have a leg to stand on because you are probably friends with one of the do nothing big talkers who like to badmouth us, but I will invite you or any of them to tell me in my "communist" plan where any of your stupidity should come into play? Maybe you can tell me at what point in a dive like the kind I do that I should start listening to a fuckup like you or any of your mentors? How may feet into the cave should I start seeking the advice of a never been like you or whomever pulls your strings but does not have the balls to come out and tell me directly whey they are right and I am wrong?? You just let me know , "Rivers", and then tell me how it is done, and while you are at it, tell any of us what you have EVER done. Nothing is the answer, as you are a nobody from nowhere with nothing but bullshit to say, like the whoel "community". We keep doing and doing, you all keep yapping and complaining - get out here and show me how it is done. You have no answers, in fact you have nothing and never will. jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > Why do you idiots keep insisting I am a fake. I believe timing is of the > essence. I do not have any issues with anyone in particular, I have issues with > people that preach, preach, preach and have a following that listens to those > all mighty words and when the master DIR philospher goes on hiatus the rest of > the klan decides to perform the unethical methods that the grand dragon was > preaching against. > > How many of the klan members can honestly state they don't do this. I have been > to those so called "shitholes" that is frequented by them and unfortunately > most of the time it is not "them" in the cave, it is "them" the individual on > their solo dive. > > I know who the players are out there. But you can only ride your high horse for > so long. > > And I thought JD Hill was some washed up country singer................ > > Does anyone from Tampa know who this "jrivers@ta*.rr*.co*" is? > Obviously he is a phoney, but which one of the disgruntled is it? In > looking back at his pack of lies about himself , his glaring > inconsistencies, his large knowledge gaps, and his dementia with regard > to many of the players out there, it appears that what we have is a real > loser who is actually either one of the regulars or is a student of one > of the regulars. > > I'd like to see this guy either fess up or go ahead and continue to be a > fraud, but at least entertain us with why he is qualified to comment on > ANYTHING in cave diving, and perhaps give us a a glimpse of his all > encompassing knowledge of the sport that can help us all learn. > > Anyone have a clue here? Obviously this clown will not be answering this > - he has nothing to back him up, but maybe one of you know who he really > is and what his real problem is. Did he get outcast by the "Communist > Party" or what? He is clearly obsessed with these people and Mike Bruic. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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