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Scott, I know Claudia, and I don't think her subject is misdirected.
Step back for a second an look at what that stroke Jil Heinrth has set
up in cave diving: she has a big spread in Dive Girl magazine talking
about "womens' world records"  (even though she does not even have a
record of any kind). That is where this kind of question arises.

Certain sports are gender dependent due to their dependency on hormonal
influences, like football, even though the hormones are mostly
synthetic, and I guess if you gave a women enough of them she could play
football, but diving is not one of those, as you suggest .


ScottBonis@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> Hi Claudia,
> 
> I must have read your posting a bunch of times and it really bothers me.  In
> fact it makes me a little angry although for the life of me I can't think of
> one single logical reason why it should.  I think it has to do with how I am
> interpreting your question.
> 
> On the one hand if it is just a troll to get this list talking about womens'
> equality then I feel like sending you a flaming return telling you in no
> uncertain terms, to grow up and knock it off.  However if you really worry
> about the question, then I must lose respect for you as a cave diver.
> 
> Who the hell cares whether members of a cave diving team have their
> reproductive organs on the outside or the inside.  What a stupid question to
> ask.  What are their strengths?, their training?, their experience?, their
> leadership qualities?, their psychological stability under stress?  These are
> the only things that are important.
> To worry about the gender of a cave diver tells me a lot more about the
> insecurity of the worrier than the capabilities of the diver.
> 
> This past winter I trained three female cave divers (and I had to do a lot of
> thinking to separate them in my memory from my other stusents.)  Two went all
> of the way through and earned their Full Cave certification and the other
> went through Intro.  And I was damn proud of each of them, just as I am of
> each of my other students.  I don't train male or female cave divers, I train
> cave divers.
> 
> Let's just knock this crap off and get back to talking about diving.  I think
> that this subject has no place in the technical diving community in general
> let alone on this list.
> 
> Take care and safe diving,         Scott
> 
> cavecoco@gm*.ne* (Claudia Milz) wrote:
> > List,
> >
> > Another curious question ...
> > we all know that there are not hordes of women doing technical dives.
> > Which is neither bad nor good, it just is.
> > I would like to know if you guys have good or bad experiences and
> > maybe even prefer to dive with a specific gender because of those
> > experiences.
> > Also, what do you find to be the difference regarding personality,
> > attitude etc between the average female OW diver and the one that
> > does overhead dives?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Claudia

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