I agree , Mike.

Mike Bruic wrote:
> 
> No Trey, the whole goat roping that these guys are carrying out needs to be
> stopped. But I have to agree with you on Rennaker, that would be a good
> start. However, I really don't care anymore what these clowns do to
> themselves, but I will protect cavediving and insure access in the same
> fashion you do. Madison will just be a start, and they know I got the
> connections to get other sites, they call me all the time for this. I'm glad
> I didn't fool with it, but I will now.
> 
> Bruic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
> Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>; Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>; Tom Mount
> <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Lamar Hires <lamar@di*.co*>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CDS Mag Editors
> 
> > Mike, Reanker called the Sheriff and told him I "threatened" him. He
> > showed the Sheriff an email, which was from somebody else, and the
> > Sheriff called me to see if I wanted to press charges for the false
> > charges by Rennaker. I should have done so, and did not.
> >
> > Rennaker needs to be stopped .
> >
> > Mike Bruic wrote:
> > >
> > > Why doesn't the fact that every time Rennaker opens his fat ass mouth,
> he
> > > seems to be spewing bullshit surprise me. Rennaker is one of the key
> players
> > > in the rapid demise of the cds, and they back him up 100%, go figure.
> > > Recently this piece of shit spewed lies and misconceptions about me
> also. I
> > > was called to do a recovery at Thunderhole, but my gear was torn down at
> the
> > > time of the call, so I notified Lamar to do the dive, and that I would
> also
> > > go to the scene to get more information for him. When I arrived Rennaker
> was
> > > already their, but what I didn't know was that he had been denied
> permission
> > > to get in the water by the sheriffs department (I guess they seen FA
> stroke
> > > written all over him when he got out of his van and all the empty potato
> > > chip bags hit the dirt). To make a long story short, when I thought this
> > > could turn out to be a rescue instead of a recovery, I borrowed the
> > > survivors gear, and started the search in my jeans and a t-shirt until
> > > Lammar arrived. At this point my core temperature had drooped to being
> > > hypothermic, and I had to exit the water, and Lamar continued in the
> areas I
> > > had not yet checked. He found the girl alive, got her to the surface and
> got
> > > credit for what he did. Rennaker now missing his chance in the spotlight
> > > starts telling people later on that he wished he wouldn't have lied and
> said
> > > he never dove Thunderhole and insinuating that he could have saved the
> girl
> > > himself, and that I showed up drunk and screaming at him and didn't even
> > > know that I didn't have a drysuit on when I got into the water. I filed
> a
> > > instructor ethics complaint with NSS/CDS, NACD, and IANTD and was given
> the
> > > same treatment that JJ was when Rennaker spewed bullshit about him. I
> also
> > > backed my complaint and sobriety with Lammar , and the dozen deputies
> and
> > > EMT's that were at Thunderhole. Rennaker told me the sheriff's
> department
> > > would lie and couldn't be trusted, the training director of the NACD
> also
> > > called me and said so what if you booze on your breath when your diving,
> > > thats no big deal. When knowbody took any action against Rennaker other
> than
> > > a secret hand shake, a pat on the back, and a please don't do it again
> Bill
> > > laugh, I told them to stuff my instructors card where the sun doesn't
> shine.
> > >
> > > Bruic
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>
> > > To: <trey@ne*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CDS Mag Editors
> > >
> > > > on 4/20/00 10:13 AM, Trey at trey@ne*.co* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Markwell was just one of many who got this treatment for the heresy
> of
> > > > > showcasing the most succssful cave diving project that ever
> exsisted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Annette Long, when she was on the board, had a huge fit about any
> WKPP
> > > > > articles, and got her you konw whats in a wad over John Todd getting
> an
> > > > > article published.
> > > >
> > > > Trey,
> > > >
> > > > I did get major feces about doing a piece on the WKPP. Bill Renneker
> > > > reportedly threw a fit because he thought his Brazil cave diving piece
> got
> > > > bumped in favor of the WKPP piece--it didn't, his article was
> submitted
> > > > after the issue was already set up.
> > > >
> > > > Lamar was supportive, I talked to him about it and he had no problem
> that
> > > I
> > > > could discern with running articles about the WKPP. The Usual Suspects
> is
> > > > the correct phrase, BTW, to describe those that have a terminal case
> of
> > > the
> > > > ass for the WKPP and anyone who says anything nice about it.
> > > >
> > > > Now, my guess is that the Mac computer BS that Lee was running
> probably
> > > came
> > > > from Bill. I believe that partially because someone suggested that it
> did
> > > > and because a while back I saw Bill and some other "insiders" and
> > > mentioned
> > > > to them that I had found some papers that Shannon had transferred to
> me
> > > when
> > > > I was Editor and wondered to whom I should send them, Beth or the
> Board.
> > > > Somehow it came back to me that Bill went to a meeting and told
> someone
> > > > there that I had some "equipment" that belonged to the Board. Rumors.
> > > >
> > > > This was a second-hand report too, so maybe he actually said that I
> had
> > > some
> > > > equipment that the BOD wished they had and wasn't I a nice guy and all
> . .
> > > .
> > > > ya right.
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > >
> > > > JoeL
> > > >
> > > > PS--See why I'm so glad to be no longer involved personally in cave
> > > > politics? Here I am in an online list discussion of it and I'm
> remembering
> > > > it all and I already feel dirty again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >

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