No Trey, the whole goat roping that these guys are carrying out needs to be
stopped. But I have to agree with you on Rennaker, that would be a good
start. However, I really don't care anymore what these clowns do to
themselves, but I will protect cavediving and insure access in the same
fashion you do. Madison will just be a start, and they know I got the
connections to get other sites, they call me all the time for this. I'm glad
I didn't fool with it, but I will now.

Bruic
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>; Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>; Tom Mount
<TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Lamar Hires <lamar@di*.co*>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: CDS Mag Editors


> Mike, Reanker called the Sheriff and told him I "threatened" him. He
> showed the Sheriff an email, which was from somebody else, and the
> Sheriff called me to see if I wanted to press charges for the false
> charges by Rennaker. I should have done so, and did not.
>
> Rennaker needs to be stopped .
>
> Mike Bruic wrote:
> >
> > Why doesn't the fact that every time Rennaker opens his fat ass mouth,
he
> > seems to be spewing bullshit surprise me. Rennaker is one of the key
players
> > in the rapid demise of the cds, and they back him up 100%, go figure.
> > Recently this piece of shit spewed lies and misconceptions about me
also. I
> > was called to do a recovery at Thunderhole, but my gear was torn down at
the
> > time of the call, so I notified Lamar to do the dive, and that I would
also
> > go to the scene to get more information for him. When I arrived Rennaker
was
> > already their, but what I didn't know was that he had been denied
permission
> > to get in the water by the sheriffs department (I guess they seen FA
stroke
> > written all over him when he got out of his van and all the empty potato
> > chip bags hit the dirt). To make a long story short, when I thought this
> > could turn out to be a rescue instead of a recovery, I borrowed the
> > survivors gear, and started the search in my jeans and a t-shirt until
> > Lammar arrived. At this point my core temperature had drooped to being
> > hypothermic, and I had to exit the water, and Lamar continued in the
areas I
> > had not yet checked. He found the girl alive, got her to the surface and
got
> > credit for what he did. Rennaker now missing his chance in the spotlight
> > starts telling people later on that he wished he wouldn't have lied and
said
> > he never dove Thunderhole and insinuating that he could have saved the
girl
> > himself, and that I showed up drunk and screaming at him and didn't even
> > know that I didn't have a drysuit on when I got into the water. I filed
a
> > instructor ethics complaint with NSS/CDS, NACD, and IANTD and was given
the
> > same treatment that JJ was when Rennaker spewed bullshit about him. I
also
> > backed my complaint and sobriety with Lammar , and the dozen deputies
and
> > EMT's that were at Thunderhole. Rennaker told me the sheriff's
department
> > would lie and couldn't be trusted, the training director of the NACD
also
> > called me and said so what if you booze on your breath when your diving,
> > thats no big deal. When knowbody took any action against Rennaker other
than
> > a secret hand shake, a pat on the back, and a please don't do it again
Bill
> > laugh, I told them to stuff my instructors card where the sun doesn't
shine.
> >
> > Bruic
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>
> > To: <trey@ne*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: CDS Mag Editors
> >
> > > on 4/20/00 10:13 AM, Trey at trey@ne*.co* wrote:
> > >
> > > > Markwell was just one of many who got this treatment for the heresy
of
> > > > showcasing the most succssful cave diving project that ever
exsisted.
> > > >
> > > > Annette Long, when she was on the board, had a huge fit about any
WKPP
> > > > articles, and got her you konw whats in a wad over John Todd getting
an
> > > > article published.
> > >
> > > Trey,
> > >
> > > I did get major feces about doing a piece on the WKPP. Bill Renneker
> > > reportedly threw a fit because he thought his Brazil cave diving piece
got
> > > bumped in favor of the WKPP piece--it didn't, his article was
submitted
> > > after the issue was already set up.
> > >
> > > Lamar was supportive, I talked to him about it and he had no problem
that
> > I
> > > could discern with running articles about the WKPP. The Usual Suspects
is
> > > the correct phrase, BTW, to describe those that have a terminal case
of
> > the
> > > ass for the WKPP and anyone who says anything nice about it.
> > >
> > > Now, my guess is that the Mac computer BS that Lee was running
probably
> > came
> > > from Bill. I believe that partially because someone suggested that it
did
> > > and because a while back I saw Bill and some other "insiders" and
> > mentioned
> > > to them that I had found some papers that Shannon had transferred to
me
> > when
> > > I was Editor and wondered to whom I should send them, Beth or the
Board.
> > > Somehow it came back to me that Bill went to a meeting and told
someone
> > > there that I had some "equipment" that belonged to the Board. Rumors.
> > >
> > > This was a second-hand report too, so maybe he actually said that I
had
> > some
> > > equipment that the BOD wished they had and wasn't I a nice guy and all
.. .
> > .
> > > ya right.
> > >
> > > Later,
> > >
> > > JoeL
> > >
> > > PS--See why I'm so glad to be no longer involved personally in cave
> > > politics? Here I am in an online list discussion of it and I'm
remembering
> > > it all and I already feel dirty again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

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