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MJ, I have no time for you. I will not waste much more here. WKPP is none of your buisness. I am sick of the likes of you with the "spellcheck" advice. I am sick of people like you who can not get anything straight, and I am sick of misinformation and crap about me and the project. Get it right you blithering idiot, or shut the hell up. The WKPP was NOT started by the "NSS/CDS" - that is pure bullshit just like everything else out of you. The project is an offical project of the NSS only , nothing at all to do with the CDS, and that merely implies that we can use the NSS's 501-C-3 status, and if you do not like that , then complain to the NSS like everyone else has, and get laughed at. Also we have a separate 501-C-3 status. I maintain that relationship because the NSS, unlike the CDS , is a real organization . The CDS is a bullshit beer and pot party for mutant red neck cave diving good ole boys. You and I do not need to have any further contact, MJ - I do not want to know you. Go bother somebody else, and I have nothing to do with GUE or Madison Blue, and as far as I am concerned Mike Bruic can do whatever he pleases, he owns the place, and I do not let anyone but the WKPP or GUE dive on my property either. You can call my mother and complain to her . Her name is Joan. Bruics mother is named Anna. Give it a shot. You obviously have a personal problem with me. Take it offline so I can tell you what I really think. Too bad they do not make "reality check" for Windows - you need a copy. Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote: > > Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement to dive > > Greetings Trey: > You have not waited for me to respond to the last response before this > response. I do have other responsibilities. You appear to be having some > type of tantrum with yourself. You do not need to make-up slights. I do > not have to embarrass you. As easily observed, it is too late to avoid > that > contingency. > I have asked some basic questions in two postings. As I expected when > I contacted GUE directly, I got sound answers. The agency appears to be > doing > the best that it can as fast as it can. They are simply suffering from > what > all new organizations do, which is too much to do. All of the other > agencies no doubt have struggled much the same in the beginning. > The instructors who are associated with more than one association's > instructor's certification are being smart and professional. They are > "keeping up" with their profession. I would do the same, and it benefits > all. > The older associations appear to be struggling with the normal problems > of older associations, which is keeping sight of the original goal, > addressing long term politics, and determining when to change and when not > to change. In time, GUE will struggle with some of these same questions. > Because of Joel's information, the NSS may appear to have a greater burden > if criminal behavior has occurred. > However, there is another constant difficulty of which all of these > organizations will suffer that most "not for profits" do not need to deal. > It is the balance between the interests of trained instructors and the > public, which the association is pledged to protect; both of which have > rights. There must be polices to deal with complaints about instructors, > which must be seriously considered, but then, there must be reasonable > procedures fairly applied to judge the matter. Being fair and following > the procedures is not always popular. I do not envy any of the agencies in > this task. > I have carefully considered what Joel said further. Apathy is the > problem. Divers just want to dive. Instructors want to teach and earn a > living. This is no problem with this except for one thing. There is a > whole lot more which needs to be done to keep everything growing as > envisioned in all these agencies besides the important aspects of teaching > and diving. Good examples are cave preservation and disseminating > knowledge. Before all is said and done, I may be a member of one or all of > them and to each I will say "How can I help?" I will devote some time to > that end. With so much to be done, there is more than enough for each of > the agencies to do. > But, what about Madison Blue? Do I believe that the owner wanted to be > unfair or cause problems--no. I believe that he saw something and reacted > in good faith from his perspective. The problem is that it sets a > dangerous > precedent. Ironically, I may even join GUE, but I will not give up my NSS > membership when I do. And, I will not dive at Madison Blue if the GUE > membership is required despite that I may be a member. I am only one > person > so what difference does that make. None, except to me. However, if such > limitations become the pattern, all cavers will eventually be the losers. > If Mike believes that he has taken the best course of action and has done > the > "right thing", he should do it period. If he reconsiders, I would > appreciate his wisdom. But, I will respect and admire him for > it either way as long as he believes it is right. I wish him success. > But, I must do the same. I must do what is > right. One of the wonders of the world is that fair minded people are > allowed to discuss and agree or disagree on what is right or best in a free > society. > I do not have any complaints regarding you, Trey. Why should I? But I > am disappointed. I still do not have any response to my questions > concerning the WKPP. I have looked at the WKPP web cite, the information I > saw was outdated for the major part. I did think that it was interesting > that the project was begun by the NSS-CDS. > In my review of this present web site, it appears that many of the > people are "hammered", who ask questions seeking help and guidance. This > could lead to a stifling of such discourse. There is no reason why this > web > site cannot provide information like any other. I assume an "ecpert" sic > can answer questions on this web site as well as on any other. > It now occurs to me that you may need to have the "last word", Trey. I > will now allow you to have it, because I am finished. There are much more > interesting topics to discuss now then this. So, I have said my thoughts > on > this subject and will act accordingly. Maybe there will be a topic of > interest to contribute to in the future, then I will enjoy doing so. > Trey, I wish you the best. Good safe diving. The only suggestion I > would have is to remember the existence of "spell check" and try to make > the > paragraphs a little more coherent. It would help readability > substantially. > Safe diving to all. Try to keep focused and remember what is > important. > I will try too. Back to work. > Sincerely, > MJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > To: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*> > > Cc: <cavers@cavers.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:27 AM > > Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement to dive > > > > > > > MJ, were you woried that I did not send this to the list and so you > > > thought you needed to send it to "embarrass me". You haven't seen > > > anything yet out of me. When I sit back and listen to crap like yours > > > without telling you to kiss my ass, that will mean there is something > > > fundamentaly wrong with me. Now get lost and go complain about me like > > > the rest of the idiots do. You have worn out your welcome with me and I > > > am sick of idiots . You are hopelessly out of the loop and hopelessly > > > full of shit. End of conversation. > > > > > > THE PROBLEM WITH THIS LIST IS THAT THE GOOD INFO CAN NOT BE DISSEMINATED > > > BECAUSE ASSHOLES LIKE YOU ARE TIEING UP THE CONVERSATION WITH PETTY > > > BULLSHIT AND ATTACKS ON THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WHILE SUPPORTING > > > THE WORST LOWELIFES IN THE GAME. > > > > > > Who do you supose the "ecperts" on the GUE list are ? Why is that list > > > and the WKPP list so full of good info add this one has none. I can > > > answer that - because bullshit like you is not on either one and the > > > list gets used for real discussions. Now get out of my face and shut the > > > f up. > > > > > > Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > To: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*> > > > > Cc: Caver's List <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 6:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement to > dive > > > > > > > > > No, you stupid twit, it is my name. You need to either come up with > > > > > something other than bullshit, or shut the hell up. Polite time is > > over. > > > > > You sound like a lawyer with no case. You should become a lawyer and > > > > > handle drunk drivers, child molesters, and dive instructors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Trey: > > > > > > I wish I had more time. The question opens the door to a > > wonderful > > > > > > philosophical debate, but this is not the forum. Assuming that > the > > > > question > > > > > > is "Is Mary Jane Humphrey a fictitious name for the internet?" > The > > > > answer > > > > > > is no; Mary Jane Humphrey is not a fictitious name for the > internet. > > > > Yes, I > > > > > > am a "real" person. Now my question in return is "Is 'Trey' a > > > > fictitious > > > > > > name for the internet?" > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Mary Jane > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > > > To: <sallot@mi*.co*> > > > > > > Cc: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*>; Caver's > > List > > > > > > <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 6:38 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement > to > > dive > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken , is this Mary Jane a real person? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sallot@mi*.co* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe it's called his own property and he can do whatever > > the > > > > fuck > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > wants with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Make yourself at home. Clean my kitchen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Mr. Carlson: > > > > > > > > > In the post I received from Mike, it stated that he > would > > pay > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > GUE membership if you gave up your NSS-CDS membership, which > > is > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > along with an entrance fee to dive. That is called > coercion. > > I > > > > > > certainly > > > > > > > > > have no objection to Mikd donating to whatever he wishes. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > Mary Jane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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