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Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement to dive
Greetings Trey:
You have not waited for me to respond to the last response before this
response. I do have other responsibilities. You appear to be having some
type of tantrum with yourself. You do not need to make-up slights. I do
not have to embarrass you. As easily observed, it is too late to avoid
that
contingency.
I have asked some basic questions in two postings. As I expected when
I contacted GUE directly, I got sound answers. The agency appears to be
doing
the best that it can as fast as it can. They are simply suffering from
what
all new organizations do, which is too much to do. All of the other
agencies no doubt have struggled much the same in the beginning.
The instructors who are associated with more than one association's
instructor's certification are being smart and professional. They are
"keeping up" with their profession. I would do the same, and it benefits
all.
The older associations appear to be struggling with the normal problems
of older associations, which is keeping sight of the original goal,
addressing long term politics, and determining when to change and when not
to change. In time, GUE will struggle with some of these same questions.
Because of Joel's information, the NSS may appear to have a greater burden
if criminal behavior has occurred.
However, there is another constant difficulty of which all of these
organizations will suffer that most "not for profits" do not need to deal.
It is the balance between the interests of trained instructors and the
public, which the association is pledged to protect; both of which have
rights. There must be polices to deal with complaints about instructors,
which must be seriously considered, but then, there must be reasonable
procedures fairly applied to judge the matter. Being fair and following
the procedures is not always popular. I do not envy any of the agencies in
this task.
I have carefully considered what Joel said further. Apathy is the
problem. Divers just want to dive. Instructors want to teach and earn a
living. This is no problem with this except for one thing. There is a
whole lot more which needs to be done to keep everything growing as
envisioned in all these agencies besides the important aspects of teaching
and diving. Good examples are cave preservation and disseminating
knowledge. Before all is said and done, I may be a member of one or all of
them and to each I will say "How can I help?" I will devote some time to
that end. With so much to be done, there is more than enough for each of
the agencies to do.
But, what about Madison Blue? Do I believe that the owner wanted to be
unfair or cause problems--no. I believe that he saw something and reacted
in good faith from his perspective. The problem is that it sets a
dangerous
precedent. Ironically, I may even join GUE, but I will not give up my NSS
membership when I do. And, I will not dive at Madison Blue if the GUE
membership is required despite that I may be a member. I am only one
person
so what difference does that make. None, except to me. However, if such
limitations become the pattern, all cavers will eventually be the losers.
If Mike believes that he has taken the best course of action and has done
the
"right thing", he should do it period. If he reconsiders, I would
appreciate his wisdom. But, I will respect and admire him for
it either way as long as he believes it is right. I wish him success.
But, I must do the same. I must do what is
right. One of the wonders of the world is that fair minded people are
allowed to discuss and agree or disagree on what is right or best in a free
society.
I do not have any complaints regarding you, Trey. Why should I? But I
am disappointed. I still do not have any response to my questions
concerning the WKPP. I have looked at the WKPP web cite, the information I
saw was outdated for the major part. I did think that it was interesting
that the project was begun by the NSS-CDS.
In my review of this present web site, it appears that many of the
people are "hammered", who ask questions seeking help and guidance. This
could lead to a stifling of such discourse. There is no reason why this
web
site cannot provide information like any other. I assume an "ecpert" sic
can answer questions on this web site as well as on any other.
It now occurs to me that you may need to have the "last word", Trey. I
will now allow you to have it, because I am finished. There are much more
interesting topics to discuss now then this. So, I have said my thoughts
on
this subject and will act accordingly. Maybe there will be a topic of
interest to contribute to in the future, then I will enjoy doing so.
Trey, I wish you the best. Good safe diving. The only suggestion I
would have is to remember the existence of "spell check" and try to make
the
paragraphs a little more coherent. It would help readability
substantially.
Safe diving to all. Try to keep focused and remember what is
important.
I will try too. Back to work.
Sincerely,
MJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*>
> Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement to dive
>
>
> > MJ, were you woried that I did not send this to the list and so you
> > thought you needed to send it to "embarrass me". You haven't seen
> > anything yet out of me. When I sit back and listen to crap like yours
> > without telling you to kiss my ass, that will mean there is something
> > fundamentaly wrong with me. Now get lost and go complain about me like
> > the rest of the idiots do. You have worn out your welcome with me and I
> > am sick of idiots . You are hopelessly out of the loop and hopelessly
> > full of shit. End of conversation.
> >
> > THE PROBLEM WITH THIS LIST IS THAT THE GOOD INFO CAN NOT BE DISSEMINATED
> > BECAUSE ASSHOLES LIKE YOU ARE TIEING UP THE CONVERSATION WITH PETTY
> > BULLSHIT AND ATTACKS ON THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WHILE SUPPORTING
> > THE WORST LOWELIFES IN THE GAME.
> >
> > Who do you supose the "ecperts" on the GUE list are ? Why is that list
> > and the WKPP list so full of good info add this one has none. I can
> > answer that - because bullshit like you is not on either one and the
> > list gets used for real discussions. Now get out of my face and shut the
> > f up.
> >
> > Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*>
> > > Cc: Caver's List <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 6:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement to
dive
> > >
> > > > No, you stupid twit, it is my name. You need to either come up with
> > > > something other than bullshit, or shut the hell up. Polite time is
> over.
> > > > You sound like a lawyer with no case. You should become a lawyer and
> > > > handle drunk drivers, child molesters, and dive instructors.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings Trey:
> > > > > I wish I had more time. The question opens the door to a
> wonderful
> > > > > philosophical debate, but this is not the forum. Assuming that
the
> > > question
> > > > > is "Is Mary Jane Humphrey a fictitious name for the internet?"
The
> > > answer
> > > > > is no; Mary Jane Humphrey is not a fictitious name for the
internet.
> > > Yes, I
> > > > > am a "real" person. Now my question in return is "Is 'Trey' a
> > > fictitious
> > > > > name for the internet?"
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Mary Jane
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > To: <sallot@mi*.co*>
> > > > > Cc: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*>; Caver's
> List
> > > > > <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 6:38 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Some People Just Don't Get It...was Gue requirement
to
> dive
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ken , is this Mary Jane a real person?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sallot@mi*.co* wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe it's called his own property and he can do whatever
> the
> > > fuck
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > wants with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Make yourself at home. Clean my kitchen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greetings Mr. Carlson:
> > > > > > > > In the post I received from Mike, it stated that he
would
> pay
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > GUE membership if you gave up your NSS-CDS membership, which
> is
> > > > > required
> > > > > > > > along with an entrance fee to dive. That is called
coercion.
> I
> > > > > certainly
> > > > > > > > have no objection to Mikd donating to whatever he wishes.
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Mary Jane
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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