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MJ, I have nothing to do with GUE -that is JJ's baby. Go to the WKPP web site and see for yourself on most of your questions. The question, "why are setup divers not lead divers " is typical bullshit. They ARE. We do more than just what you hear about, and these guys are adding line and exploring all over the WKP on most dives where I am the "setup" diver. I also mix it up with most of the top divers on other dives. They lay the line , I do the survey. I will tell all of you fuckups this one more time, and get out the Macy's window bet: The reason I do the dives you hear about is that 1) JJ and I are the only ones who WILL do it, 2) We have the most experience doing the long range dives, 3) We are the most able to phsyically tolerate it and WE CAN NOT FIND anyone else who wants to do it, not even Chris Werner, John Rose, Ted Cole, Jess Amrentrout, Bill Mee, Scott Landon, Terry Koritz, Casey McKinlay, Greg Jackson, or any of the many other great divers we have on the team. Not everyone wants to take the risk. These guys have families and kids - my kids are grown up, they have jobs - I have already finished my last career, they have real lives - mine is all taken care of and is about this kind of fun and games - I have no responsibilities that are not taken care of already. They may not think exploring cave 18,000 feet from home is worth dying for. I do, and don't care anyway - I woud not have been given this strange ability to do this and tolerate it so well if I was not supposed to go find out what is there. I seriously doubt I will ever get killed or even injured or even bent cave diving in Tallahassee. They ( they other great divers ) may not want to take the beating - it is not a beating for me. They may not want to do the deco - I do not have to, I can do a fraction of it and walk away. They may not want to get that cold - I do not get cold. Etc, etc. Even Brent Scarbin told me he would not tolerate another 18 hour day underwater. You observers just have no idea what this is all about. All of you pussies out there might hate me, but the fact is you can not beat my track rocord, and the fact is none of you have the tiniest clue what it takes to do what I do, and you can ask any member of the WKPP if they woud like to step into my shoes and have a shot at the brass ring, and every last one of them will say , "NO THANKS". Now, MJ, the fact is the the WKPP is not open for discussion. It is set up to dominate cave diving in the WKP by us ( the pros ) and to keep it exclusively our domain. That we have , with the exception of the State letting Stone intrude for three months last year, has been successful, and will conitniue to be for the forseeable future due to 1) our track record, 2) our long term argeements and contracts, and 3) none of the rest of you can ptu together a good pot party let alone a project that could take my place, and 4) I have set the WKPP up to run "paint by numbers" so that it does not need me or Jarrod or any single person, and that guarantees our longevity, and that leaves me and JJ free to dive our asses of everywwhere and do what we like to do best that the rest of you have such a big problem with. Keep watching an bitching - neither will do you any good. Anyhone is welcome to come join the WKPP and dive. We have many members add have trained a large nubmer of gas divers to do waht we do. Ask any or them why they are still there , or why they are not, and then ask yourselves if you think that the odds favor you over anyone else. All the tough guys just do not ever seem to either do anything that JJ and I do as routine anywher, or be able to make it that far up the ranks before the phsyical and mental stress wipes them out, or cuases them to set reasonable limits on themselves . I can not tell you how many guys I have worked with for years only to see them throw in the towel after some big dive. By the way, on the rest of your horseshit questions, our "science " is varied enough ( see Werne for that ) , but our "job" is mapping. I do not see anyhone else making maps of this stuff since that means being able to get out there to do it. What theh hell have any of you done for us lately that you can get on here and bullshit likr this, MJ? And I can not beleive you even mention that idiot Cleezy - the lying asshole claims Diepolder is 360 feet deep - it is 343. He lies about his bottom times like Jil Henierth - the end of the cave is only about 700 feet form the "pit", if that. It takes JJ and I lees than 16 minutes to go from the surface to the end and back into the crack. Tood Kincaid swam it on a set of 104's in 24 minutes. Cleezy cries liek a baby every time JJ and I go in there , and he really cried when Bill Gavin , Lamar English and I toasted it off for him back in 1992 and AJ"d it. He said that "Lamar became a guide under falss pretenses" since I got Lamar to reinstate as a guuide and paid for the insurance ( I evne sgave Dutsin the check myself ) just so we could screw Cleezy over to shut his big yapping mouth. Little different thanm his versoin of "realilty". Reality sucks for the bullshitters, and it is great for us . MJ, you are obviously one more bullshittter or just another facker. \ \\Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote: > > Subject: Re: Gue requirement to dive Madison Blue > > Greetings Trey: > Thank you for your response. However, you did not answer any of my > questions. Therefore, I assume you are not a spokesperson for GUE. The > statement "Do what ever I want" is not a response. The obvious is not the > question. What > Mount does or does not do is not responsive. I did not ask any questions > concerning > "Mouth" sic for Mount. Actually, your response is very difficult to > understand. "Take it or leave it" is not responsive. However, I think > obtaining an answer requires a response from someone who knows. > You say you have put GUE together. Why can't you answer my > questions? > They are very basic. > What professionals? Name names. I will contact them. > There have been and are other explorations with good track records. I > have seen the results, which have be verified by independent sources and/or > publication. > It is a relevant question to a "not for profit" to know its association > with a "for profit" business it is endorsing. > If "adn dontl satet wthi oir tgpetty carp" does not concern a "pretty > carp", then clarification would be helpful. > How long have you been diving? Technical and cave divers have been > making their own equipment, which has many times been much better than > what > is commercially available for nearly 20 years. I have seen several > examples--very impressive. > Since you invited me, I do have questions about your project? I see > no reason why the person who constructed this response should be laughing > at anything or anyone else. But let's see if you can answer some logical > questions about > WKPP. > 1. How is WKPP structured? Is it a not for profit, an association, or > just a group of divers? > 2. How are the members of WKPP defined? > 3. Which members hold patents concerning dive equiipment based on the > diving > done by WKPP? > 4. Where can I find the published research of the findings of WKPP? > 5. Besides Wakulla, what explorations has WKPP done? > 6. Why do the set up divers never get to be lead divers despite their > obvious skills? > 7. Who specifically defines the policies of WKPP? > 8. Are there any members who are trained biologists or geologists that > are lead divers besides JJ? > 9. How much new scientific information has WKPP discovered and where > is > it published? > I have just read Dustin's post. I didn't know. But, I will send these > questions anyway, because they are logical. If you truly answer the > questions or at least address the issue, I will continue the dialog. > Otherwise, I will have all the information I need. Best wishes. > Sincerely, > Mary Jane Humphrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > To: Mary_Jane_Humphrey <Mary_Jane_Humphrey@em*.ms*.co*> > Cc: Caver's List <cavers@cavers.com> > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: Gue requirement to dive Madison Blue > > > MY, GUE membership has an online mail list that has more information on > > it that you will ever see elsewhere and is contributed to by the best in > > the game. Questions are answered by the pros. That is then achchived and > > compiled and is available to all members constantly as are all other > > materials. The "hard copy" stuff I do not know about. > > > > Mouth has had his shot at the game and has failed miserably in my > > opinion, as have the NACD and the CDS - time for something new, and time > > for information coming from the professionals who actuall do the ral > > thing and from the best adn most knowledgable in each area, not the > > lowest common denominator and the insructor based agancies. > > > > The real answer to your question is "do whatever you want". You will not > > find anything better than what we have put together in WKPP and GUE, and > > we have the track reocrd to go with it, and none of the rest of them can > > say that. Those who want REAL will come to us, those who either do not > > know or have been BS'd will go elsehere. > > > > So what. Take it or leave it. The obvoius is obvious - we woud not exist > > if there had been anything good going on out there, adn dontl satet wthi > > oir tgpetty carp about EE or Halcyon - the fat is that WKPP had all of > > its gear custom made when the jerks would not comply with our standards. > > Argue with thay and then tell me yuo have the creditials to even talk to > > me about dive gear, or question what we have made for our project, after > > I stop laughing.
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