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MJ, GUE membership has an online mail list that haa more information on
it that you will ever see elsewhere and is contributed to by the best in
the game. Questions are answered by the pros. That is then achchived and
compilied and is available to all members constantly as are all other
materials. The "hard copy" stuff I do not know about.
Mouth has had his shot at the game and has failed miserably in my
opinion, as have the NACD and the CDS - time for something new, and time
for information coming from the professionals who actuall do the ral
thing and from the best adn most knowledgable in each area, not the
lowest common denominator and the insructor based agancies.
The real answer to your question is "do whatever you want". You will not
find anything better than what we have put together in WKPP and GUE, and
we have the track reocrd to go with it, and none of the rest of them can
say that. Those who want REAL will come to us, those who either do not
know or have been BS'd will go elsehere.
So what. Take it or leave it. The obvoius is obvious - we woud not exist
if there had been anything good going on out there, adn dontl satet wthi
oir tgpetty carp about EE or Halcyon - the fat is that WKPP had all of
its gear custom made when the jerks would not comply with our standards.
Argue with thay and then tell me yuo have the creditials to even talk to
me about dive gear, or question what we have made for our project, after
I stop laughing.
Mary_Jane_Humphrey wrote:
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> Greetings
>
> I would certainly like to see Tom Mounts? questions answered about
> GUE. I have not really concerned myself about it until I am now being
> coerced into purchasing membership to dive a cave. So, I have a few
> more questions before I make that purchase.
>
> 1. Are Tyler Moon and Harry Averil still on the training
> committee for NSS-CDS as the web site shows?
>
> 2. Are T. Cole, H. Averil, T. Kendel, JJ, T. Moon, D. Rhea, who
> are GUE instructors, still instructors with NSS-CDS as the web site
> shows?
>
> 3. Are JJ, T. Moon, and H. Averil still instructors for NACD as
> the web site shows?
>
> 4. In investigating a membership to GUE, has there been any more
> publication of dirQuest other than the one Vol 1., No.1 Summer of
> 1999?
>
> 5. Is this the same publication, which is still on line?
>
> 6. Has there been any other information forthcoming this past
> year for members sent directly to them? What and when?
>
> 7. Where in the GUE web site does it specifically say how the
> money is spent?
>
> 8. What specific donations/funding has GUE made to research and
> cave preservation within this past year?
>
> 9. Who are the board members of GUE? The only information in the
> only publication is that JJ is president.
>
> 10. Who are the other officers of GUE?
>
> 11. Are the owners/managers/officers of GUE the same as Extreme
> Exposure and Halcyon?
>
> As to the comment that there are too many cave divers and that the
> caves need to be preserved, I hope the maker of that comment is not
> cave diving any more. Surely, it would not be directed at everyone
> else until he himself stops.
>
> I do not know about all the Florida politics. Frankly, I do not
> care unless it affects the diving I do. Up to this point, I have
> found all the cave instructors of all the agencies I have come into
> contact with to be concerned and competent. I have not met Mr.
> Rennaker, so I have no opinion. I have met a lot of cave divers and
> with few exceptions have found them to again to be great people to
> know, who are competent, concerned divers.
>
> I do not know if money was stolen from the NSS or not. If it
> was, I assume the guilty are being prosecuted; if not, then maybe it
> was not taken. I do know that I get great journals from then NSS,
> which are written by known experts. These magazines/journals are
> published regularly. I have seen the preservation efforts by
> volunteers of the NSS in many areas of the country and have enjoyed
> the yearly conferences of the NSS-CDS. I like the GUE ?store? as I
> like others. I like and respect the GUE instructors as I like and
> respect others. I like the brands that are emphasized by GUE as I do
> others. But, I don?t like being coerced in spending my money for a
> year old magazine.
>
> The owners of Madison Blue have every right to use their
> property as they see fit within the law. I have no questions of
> that. But, if they had a problem with an instructor, they could have
> banned that instructor. It has been done before. To support GUE, a
> discount could have been given for those with a membership or
> certification.
>
> The safety procedures, training standards, and instructor
> standards that are the criteria of every agency dealing with technical
> and cave diving can be improved. This will also be true about GUE?s
> when we see them.
>
> All cave and technical diving has been developed by many people over
> the course of many years not just one person or one group at very
> great cost to some individuals. All you have to do is dive, observe,
> and listen. I would point out that all of the lead GUE instructors
> got their certifications and have taught through NSS-CDS and/or NACD.
> Will they now say risking a law suit if a student dies that all of it
> was done wrong? I think not. The basic premise of these
> organizations is sound. Maybe, the current leadership is bad-- maybe
> not. But regardless, more competition is always good unless that
> competition is trying to create a controlling monopoly. Then, it is
> not so good.
>
> Thank you in advance for the response to my questions and entertaining
> my comments.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mary Jane Humphrey
>
>
>
>
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