Tom, we make the rules. You shut up and listen. I don't see any of your
bozo strokes doing anything that any of the GUE guys do on a regular
basis. 

GUE is way out of your league, and you do not need to be yapping about
it.

Tom Mount wrote:
> 
> Dan
> Does GUE do it??
> 
> Does GUE have any renewal physical requirements?
> 
> There web page does not list instructor or instructor renewal requirements
> so the question is for real, no one knows what GUE has for instructor
> prerequisites or renewals
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Tom Mount
> CEO IANTD World HQ
> http://www.iantd.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan L. Volker <dan@sf*.co*>
> To: <trey@ne*.co*>; 'Geoff Kelafant' <kelafant@we*.co*>
> Cc: 'Tom Mount' <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; 'Mike Bruic'
> <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Madison diving
> 
> > Sounds like a good time to discuss MANDATORY VO2 Max testing, with
> > instructor minimums around 30 ml/kg of body weight.
> > Sure the test would be a cost and a time problem for some, but when these
> > instructors are "Responsible" for the lives they lead into a cave, this is
> > the least they can do to certify a likelihood they will be still be alive
> to
> > lead the students back after each dive. From what I have heard about
> > Rennaker, it sounds like he would be closer to 5 or 10 ml./kg if he had no
> > heart condition, and now that he has had an incident ( even though
> > supposedly fixed) , he may be lower still.
> >
> > Dan Volker
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:41 PM
> > To: Geoff Kelafant
> > Cc: Tom Mount; Mike Bruic; cavers@cavers.com
> > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> >
> >
> > Geoff, good points, obvoiusly Bruic is dead right and standing up for
> > it, and Tom is dead wrong and once again proving it.
> >
> >
> > Geoff Kelafant wrote:
> > >
> > > What absurdity.  "Right to work", ADA and all that other stuff doesn't
> > apply
> > > if someone isn't otherwise qualified for the job in particular.
> Actually,
> > > since none of the instructors really "work" for IANTD/CDS etc. anyway, I
> > > don't think any of this really applies.
> > >
> > > If it did, you would need to provide the examining physician with a
> > detailed
> > > description of what his "job" actually was and what the physical demands
> > > are.  In this case the physician should be someone well versed in diving
> > > medicine and the particular physical demands involved, not some guy who
> is
> > > getting the wool pulled over his eyes or practices in the local doc in a
> > > box.  I'm in the occupational medicine business and one thing I've
> learned
> > > is that patients are rarely fully truthful when their "career" is on the
> > > line.  Most physicians are poorly prepared or unwilling to address
> > > occupational issues and even fewer have even a vague idea of the
> cardiac,
> > > pulmonary and other stresses unique to diving.  A simple "note from the
> > > doctor", a doctor whose qualifications are totally unknown to you is
> > simply
> > > unacceptable.
> > >
> > > I am interested in whatever a "fitness renewal program" entails.  Is it
> > > simply a note or form?  Do they actually have to do something like a
> > stress
> > > test, running, biking,  swimming, etc.  Hmm... must be the IANTD
> > instructors
> > > I've seen were midcycle or in the remedial fitness program.
> > >
> > > When one of your instructors has a terminal event during training and
> > takes
> > > someone with him, I wonder what will happen?
> > >
> > > Geoff Kelafant MD MSPH FACOEM
> > > Board Certified Occupational Medicine
> > > US Navy Diving Medical Officer
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:48 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> > >
> > > > Tom, this is the kind of duck I would expect from you. Rennaker is a
> > > > ridiculous fat slob - he just had a heart attack ( gee, I wonder
> why? ),
> > > > and his "right to work" is C R A P. The asshole retired from his
> factory
> > > > job over ten years ago, and is teaching diving on the side.
> > > >
> > > > Nice try, Tom.
> > > >
> > > > You and your organization do not know what the the word "fitness"
> means,
> > > > and the fact is that I will bet you that Rennaker's heart rate will
> not
> > > > drop the requisite bare minimum 12 beats per minute in one minute from
> > > > exertion levels that is the known marker standard for predicting  a
> > > > reasonable risk of less chance of a heart attack, let alone the 20 bpm
> > > > "comfort" level for a low risk , or the 60 bpm that my heart rate
> drops.
> > > > Forget that he is a fat slob who already had a heart attack.
> > > >
> > > > If Rennaker kills somebody now, you , the "doctor" and everyone else
> is
> > > > going to lose - it is too obvious that this guy does not need to be
> > > > doing this any more, and in my opinion, he never did.
> > > >
> > > > Prospective dive students have a "right" to a fit instructor, Tom, and
> > > > you are behaving badly for tolerating and promoting this.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Mount wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To both of you
> > > > >
> > > > > All instructors with IANTD have to complete a MD medical and be
> signed
> > > off
> > > > > anytime their is a major illness. Bill has completed that. Bill also
> > did
> > > the
> > > > > fitness swim requirements as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm sure if you would like to legally challenge the doctor for
> > > signing
> > > > > him off you can do so. But remember there as a right to work law and
> > you
> > > may
> > > > > wind up at the end of a lawsuit for you efforts from the MD and
> Bill.
> > > > > We are bound to accept the determination of the MD as to Bill's
> > fitness.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second IANTD unlike any other agency has a fitness renewal program
> as
> > > you
> > > > > know Mike and each instructor must complete it to be renewed. No
> other
> > > > > agency including GUE does this.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is BCC'ed to our lawyer and insurance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully yours,
> > > > > Tom Mount
> > > > > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > > > > http://www.iantd.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
> > > > > Cc: <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bruic wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George, here is a copy of the letter that went out to IANTD,
> NACD,
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > NSS/CDS. It was sent certified, return receipt, and I have the
> > > > > > > acknowledgments of receipt in my files. When Rennaker does
> > fuck-up,
> > > I
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > this letter will help any attorney crucify these assholes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bruic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Mike, you are pissing in the wind with Mount and the rest of
> > these
> > > > > > hand-holders. Send it to his insurance agent and to his attorney,
> > Bill
> > > > > > Turbeville. Turbeville and the insurance company will make him do
> > the
> > > > > > right thing. I'll get you the insurance agency address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

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