To Cavers List, George asked me to stand up and be counted. The Odom in Akumal observations/opinions are entirely my own. My opinions are based on my experience as a full time educator/mentor and as a scuba instructor -scuba instructor trainer. Seeing Odom's group learning cave and cavern instructor skills were never my intention. I was there doing my own thing and had no idea who he was, or originally what the group was doing. I was busy with my own concerns. It's just that after a certain point, things start to gnaw at your gut, and especially when it's in the realm of quality education and safety. Since I'm not a cave educator I'll let the pros. in the NACD - NSS-CDS hash out what you cave educators are supposed to do. I can comment on the areas that I know well: Quality of Education and Student Motivation/Ability, something that seemed amiss when I was there. Ken Koga KenSciStor@ao*.co*, Fenstah@ao*.co*
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