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You know, the problem with all of you pussies is that you don't have a
set of balls between the whole community, other than Bruic. Mike has a
name, he puts it on his posts, and when he has a problem with something
or somebody, he stands up and deals with it. He cut these guys off at
his operation.

The rest of you do not, and that is why you have the situation you are
bitching about now. 

You screwups all supported Gilliam and Odem up to now, so what is the
big deal? In my eyes, the situation you describe with Odem is what all
of you look like to me.

All of you "cave instructors" are nothing more than mercenary scumbags
who can't do it yourselves without money in your hands to start with,
never have , and are jaming people into classes and giving them nothing
but a license to die, wiht FEW exceptions in my opinion.

Why don't some of you strokes get out there and take some of these
students diving, build their skills, and make the sport better  and
safer ? 

The grow a set of balls and  do what is right and the situations you
describe will not occur, but then neither will your own Peacock to
Pothole weekend wonder courses, either, will they?


Fenstah@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> Dear Cavers,
>    I happened to come upon a multinational group of students being trained
> for some course at a cenote in Mexico. The only things I take into notice are
> the large ratio of students to instructor and the duration of how long this
> group has to remain standing in a gravel parking lot with their singles,
> listening.  After gearing up, finishing my dive of an hour and a half I
> return to still see this multinational group in the parking lot.  After my
> SIT time and again gearing up this group finally gets ready to go diving.
>     Aside from the clumsy way they prep., it becomes apparent that they are
> being trained to some cave/cavern instructor standards by a fellow with a
> mustache. I don't know who this guy is, I don't make it a point to know.  As
> an instructor trainer for another agency I notice the less than articulate
> (bumbling) in-water presentations they give, less than wonderful in-water
> control the candidates have holding onto a OW cenote rope in glassine calm
> water, the total global awareness in letting your candidates scatter on the
> surface like children at recess and the drones of an instructor trainer who
> talks a LOT.  OK, none of my business. GO HOME.
>     I decide on some additional days of cenote diving. I now see the same
> candidates pumped up in macho bluster walk brusquely down steep stairs and do
> Hawaiian sling entries and headrolls wearing doubles. Rookie bravado, but as
> future cave instructors diving into water that is 3-5 ft. deep, way stupid!
> Even better is their control while diving. Watching them in the water is
> entertaining as they don't swim like any experienced caver I know.  Grace &
> calm are replaced with chicken like movements by some. Aside from gnashing my
> teeth and thinking that these guys are going to hurt someone someday I find
> out the guy teaching them is a guy named Joe.  Enuff said.  Aside from the
> disservice I saw to the diving community, it seemed apparent to me as an
> observer that all parties involved were consensually doing what they wanted,
> which was ^%$#%&^& each other.
>                                                                Fenstah
>

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