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bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > Von, I will never in my life do as many cave dives as I have done deep > > ocean diving. > > The same for me. > > > You do not seem to see that there is no circumstance where > > doing it wrong makes any sense. So far all of your silliness is nothing > > more than accomodations of other mistakes you are making and compounding > > with more silliness. > > > > Is it silly to incur deco obligation on a deep ocean dive and not have a redundant > bottom timer or depth gauge and watch? > > Is it silly to wear a dry suit in warm ocean water in which one could overheat and > become dehydrated in order to accommodate steel tanks? > > Is it silly to wear a primary and two back up lights on a clear and warm ocean dive > which are clearly not needed. - you can add a weight to your belt if necessary? > > Is it silly to carry aluminum doubles and three or four aluminum stage bottles in > order to make a deep swimming ocean dive? > > > > > You can not support it with any logic that stands the light of day, and > > I seriously doubt that you do anything in caves that I would consider > > consistent with our methods. > > George, you are assuming here. You know what happens when you assume. > > > > > > > REPEAT - I AM AN OCEAN DIVER - cave diving is a sideline for me. > > DITTO. > > > No amount of wishing will make any effort by the wreck "divers" to dicredit > > what I am saying hold any water simply because I know what I am talking > > about, have the log book and track record to prove it, and can make > > perfect sense of it againt any arguement any of you want to make. > > > > I am not attempting to discredit DIR. It's a system that works beautifully in a > cave. > > > > > Von, I would not get on a boat with anyone doing any of the things I > > have seen you recommend. > > George, I'm not sure other people on the boat would let you on :-) > > > I do not like to be on hand for clusterufucks, > > accidents, and especially deaths - seen too many of them , read about > > too many ,heard about too many and most of them are coming up looking > > like you in the gear department, and started the dive thinking like you. > > There you go making those assumptions again. > > George, the art of scuba diving has been evolving for centuries. I assure you the > evolution will not start or stop with you or me. > > Bill > > > > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > George > > > I have never "fought about everything you do" in the caves. I dive DIR in the > > > caves. > > > We were arguing...er...discussing..deep open ocean diving. > > > Bill > > > > > > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > > Von, if you could pay attention long enough you would see that every > > > > thing we do ( which you fight about consistently) is an effort to avoid > > > > these screwups, and we explain why, but you do not want to hear it, you > > > > have a better way, like the rest.
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