Hey Richie, how is that you can deal with the deathtrap (Cis-Lunar) that you
swear by diving, with all the complications and it hideous fatal track
record, but yet you cannot mix the right gas for OC?  You are one lucky guy
and tougher than nails.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
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Greece <iantdgr@at*
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction
and158 m air dives You gotta be kidding)


> Rich, this is because you are such a tough guy - a lot better than us ,
> obviously, we have trouble getting good results at 120 on air, and at
> 150 we have nothing but screwups. The deco does not work from air, but
> then since you have been paralyzed twice on air or nitrox dives, maybe
> you have it all figured out by now, and can inform this fine list of
> eager air divers about the way to really get it done.Maybe I need to
> dive a little more and toughen myself up like some of you. Maybe smoke
> some pot or something, what would you suggest?
>
> So far your contributios to diving suck, Richie - you recommend solo
> diving, and brag about it, and guess what - all three Cis Lunar deaths
> were solos - if the great Rich Pyle can do it, so can everyone else,
> right?
>
> Then you yap about air diving while the track record of air for diving
> and deco in the insideous range , 100-150, is abysmal , especially here
> where there are caves and dark water and decisions have to be made
> underwater.
>
> The real story is that you do not want to be out of synch with Mouth and
> his band, since then somebody besides me might argue with you.
>
> So far you ar not doing to well in the make sense category, and when you
> can tell me why air at 150 makes any sense, and have it come out not
> sunding  as stupid as it really is, I will be glad to change eveything
> that we all have learned and know to be true, and start diving it
> myself. You can't do it.
>
> This is really bad form for you - a total sellout to bullshit.
>
> Richard Pyle wrote:
> >
> > The only reason I do it that way is that it is extremely easy with a
> > rebreather.  If I was still diving OC, I'd not waste my time with helium
> > shallower than about 150 or so.
> >
> > Aloha,
> > Rich
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Chris Werner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> > > > If you really wanted to be conservative, then you might drop maximum
Pnarc
> > > > to 4.0 atm, and require helium on all dives deeper than 100 fsw.  I
might
> > > > be in favor of that, as it is more or less the route I have taken on
my
> > > > own dives.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Richie, I hate to have to do this but, I agree with you. The limit
should be
> > > somewhere around this value. This is what we are practicing and it is
good
> > > to see others that are actually diving, adopting this same type of
SOP. No
> > > matter how you came about it. It is better for narcosis and for deco.
While
> > > I don't use air at all, an EAD of 100' is my absolute limit on
narcosis. It
> > > appears as those who do little or no deep/cave diving are the ones who
are
> > > consistently pushing the limits. Those of us who are consistently
diving
> > > every week have already figured this one out. It is a shame that those
who
> > > give the advice have not come to the same conclusions.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Richard Pyle
> > Ichthyology, Bishop Museum                deepreef@bi*.or*
> > 1525 Bernice St.                          PH: (808) 848-4115
> > Honolulu, HI 96817-2704                   FAX: (808) 847-8252
>
>

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