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> Have you ever thought about water temperatures of 4=B0C (39F)? Hey- we dive in 2-3 C water all year around. Ever heard of argon ? > Have ever thought about prices of Helium in Europe? If you can't afford to do it right - don't bother doing it at all.=20 > Have you ever thought about common diving practices in Central = Europe? Frankly, most of it is bullshit, with full-face masks and pair-lines.=20 regards, Sten Stockmann Baltic Sea Tech Divers=20 Helsinki, Finland -- Sten Stockmann Business Consulting CAP GEMINI OY Niittym=E4entie 9 FIN-02200 Espoo FINLAND Tel. +358-9-45265229 Fax. +358-9-4523548 E-mail sten.stockmann@ca*.fi* > -----Original Message----- > From: Submariner Germany [mailto:info@su*.de*] > Sent: 20. elokuuta 1999 13:14 > To: Richard Pyle; Chris Werner > Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne*; Wrolf Courtney; halcyon@ha*.ne*; Bill = Mee; > Tom Mount; bdi@wh*.ne*; techdiver@aq*.co*; Christian=20 > Gerzner; Mark > the Nark Andrews; Afonso Pinheiro Junior; Barrie Heard; Bill Nadeau; > Dick Rutkowski; Erika Haley; Fabio Amaral; Fabio Ruberti; Frans > Vandermolen; Garry Howland; Gil; Gina & Mark Leonard; Gregg Stanton; > IANTD Czech; IANTD Germany; IANTD Greece; IANTD Holland;=20 > IANTD Ireland; > IANTD JAPAN; IANTD Japan Training; IANTD Korea; IANTD=20 > Micronesia; IANTD > Philippines; IANTD Philippines Alex; IANTD Portugal; IANTD S.E. Asia; > IANTD Scandanvia; IANTD South Africa; IANTD Spain; IANTD Sweden; Jill > Heinerth; Jim Mims; John Thornton; Joseph Dituri; kevin gurr; Kim > Cochrane; Lamar Hires; Nick Jewson; Paul Lijnen; Paul=20 > Neilsen; REG BOER > @ BARBARA HENSBY; Richard Nordstrom; Shelley orlowski;=20 > Vebj=F8rn Karlsen; > Victor Williams; William J Turbeville II; Jr."; cavers@cavers.com; = Jim > Cobb; kirvne@sa*.ne*; "\"Jess Armantrout\""; Dan L. Volker; = "\"Jody > Everett\""; Lawrence Orchard-London; john@ro*.co*.uk* > Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air = instruction > and158m air dives You gotta be kidding) >=20 >=20 > Just want to ask some important questions: >=20 > Have you ever thought about water temperatures of 4=B0C (39F)? > Have ever thought about prices of Helium in Europe? > Have you ever thought about common diving practices in Central = Europe? >=20 > As we all know is N-Narcosis not only depending on the ppN.=20 > The psychlogical > effects of the different environments count at least as much=20 > as the ppN. A > limit of 130 ft on Air could be way to much or more or less=20 > no problem. To > limit the use of air to a max depth of 130 ft. is not our=20 > favorite limit. >=20 > Yours >=20 > IANTD Germany, Austria & Switzerland >=20 > Benjamin & Marion Altkorn >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*> > An: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*> > Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; Wrolf Courtney > <wrolf@wr*.ne*>; halcyon@ha*.ne* <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Bill = Mee > <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; bdi@wh*.ne* > <bdi@wh*.ne*>; techdiver@aq*.co*=20 > <techdiver@aq*.co*>; Christian > Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>; Mark the Nark Andrews > <extreme@de*.fr*.co*.uk*>; Afonso Pinheiro Junior > <afonso0@ib*.ne*>; Barrie Heard <bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>; Bill Nadeau > <tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>; Dick Rutkowski=20 > <dick@hy*.co*>; Erika > Haley <haley@ca*.ky*>; Fabio Amaral=20 > <fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>; Fabio Ruberti > <ruberti@io*.it*>; Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>; = Garry > Howland <ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>; Gil=20 > <gildiver@di*.co*.br*>; Gina & Mark > Leonard <ginamark@at*.ne*>; Gregg Stanton=20 > <gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>; > IANTD Czech <kony@un*.cz*>; IANTD Germany=20 > <iantd@su*.de*>; IANTD > Greece <iantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*>; IANTD Holland=20 > <tekkie@xs*.nl*>; IANTD > Ireland <IANTDIRL@ao*.co*>; IANTD JAPAN=20 > <iantdjp@di*.co*>; IANTD > Japan Training <iantdjp@di*.co*>; IANTD Korea=20 > <aad@sa*.co*>; IANTD > Micronesia <psdivers@ku*.gu*.ne*>; IANTD Philippines > <iantd-rp@i-*.co*.ph*>; IANTD Philippines Alex > <techsec@i-*.co*.ph*>; IANTD Portugal=20 > <po12210@pt*.ib*.co*>; IANTD S.E. > Asia <khooss@si*.co*.sg*>; IANTD Scandanvia=20 > <egil@av*.fi*>; IANTD > South Africa <iantdsa@ia*.co*>; IANTD Spain=20 > <iantdspa@dn*.ii*.es*>; > IANTD Sweden <info@ia*.co*>; Jill Heinerth=20 > <heinerth@gt*.ne*>; Jim > Mims <divetek@oc*.co*>; John Thornton=20 > <Johnpt@sc*.co*>; Joseph > Dituri <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>; kevin gurr=20 > <100044.3401@co*.co*>; Kim > Cochrane <Cochrane@ac*.co*>; Lamar Hires=20 > <lamar@di*.co*>; Nick > Jewson <NickJewson@co*.co*>; Paul Lijnen=20 > <paull@vi*.uu*.be*>; > Paul Neilsen <mandarin@ga*.ne*.hk*>; REG BOER @ BARBARA HENSBY > <regboer@bi*.co*>; Richard Nordstrom <74663.1663@co*.co*>; > Shelley orlowski <orlowski@at*.ne*>; Vebj=F8rn Karlsen > <karlsenv@on*.no*>; Victor Williams=20 > <diving@sp*.co*>; William J > Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>;=20 > cavers@cavers.com > <cavers@cavers.com>; Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>;=20 > kirvne@sa*.ne* > <kirvne@sa*.ne*>; "\"Jess Armantrout\""=20 > <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; > Dan L. Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>; "\"Jody Everett\"" > <jeverett@ne*.co*>; Lawrence Orchard-London > <lorchard@Ru*.co*>; john@ro*.co*.uk* > <john@ro*.co*.uk*> > Datum: Freitag, 20. August 1999 05:03 > Betreff: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air = instruction > and158m air dives You gotta be kidding) >=20 >=20 > > > >The only reason I do it that way is that it is extremely easy with a > >rebreather. If I was still diving OC, I'd not waste my time=20 > with helium > >shallower than about 150 or so. > > > >Aloha, > >Rich > > > >On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Chris Werner wrote: > > > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*> > >> > If you really wanted to be conservative, then you might=20 > drop maximum > Pnarc > >> > to 4.0 atm, and require helium on all dives deeper than=20 > 100 fsw. I > might > >> > be in favor of that, as it is more or less the route I=20 > have taken on my > >> > own dives. > >> > > >> > >> Richie, I hate to have to do this but, I agree with you.=20 > The limit should > be > >> somewhere around this value. This is what we are=20 > practicing and it is > good > >> to see others that are actually diving, adopting this same=20 > type of SOP. > No > >> matter how you came about it. It is better for narcosis=20 > and for deco. > While > >> I don't use air at all, an EAD of 100' is my absolute=20 > limit on narcosis. > It > >> appears as those who do little or no deep/cave diving are=20 > the ones who > are > >> consistently pushing the limits. Those of us who are=20 > consistently diving > >> every week have already figured this one out. It is a=20 > shame that those > who > >> give the advice have not come to the same conclusions. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > > > >Richard Pyle > >Ichthyology, Bishop Museum deepreef@bi*.or* > >1525 Bernice St. PH: (808) 848-4115 > >Honolulu, HI 96817-2704 FAX: (808) 847-8252 > > > > >=20
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