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Whatever happened to "use the right tool for the job"?? If He is too expensive, then you should look into a different sport. That's the bottom line. "Common" diving practices?? So, just because everyone else is doing it, means that you have to follow (blindly)?? I didn't want to get involved in this but I had to pull out my bullshit flag. - Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Submariner Germany <info@su*.de*> To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>; Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*> Cc: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@wr*.ne*>; <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>; <techdiver@aq*.co*>; Christian Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>; Mark the Nark Andrews <extreme@de*.fr*.co*.uk*>; Afonso Pinheiro Junior <afonso0@ib*.ne*>; Barrie Heard <bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>; Bill Nadeau <tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>; Dick Rutkowski <dick@hy*.co*>; Erika Haley <haley@ca*.ky*>; Fabio Amaral <fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>; Fabio Ruberti <ruberti@io*.it*>; Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>; Garry Howland <ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>; Gil <gildiver@di*.co*.br*>; Gina & Mark Leonard <ginamark@at*.ne*>; Gregg Stanton <gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>; IANTD Czech <kony@un*.cz*>; IANTD Germany <iantd@su*.de*>; IANTD Greece <iantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*>; IANTD Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:14 AM Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction and158m air dives You gotta be kidding) > Just want to ask some important questions: > > Have you ever thought about water temperatures of 4°C (39F)? > Have ever thought about prices of Helium in Europe? > Have you ever thought about common diving practices in Central Europe? > > As we all know is N-Narcosis not only depending on the ppN. The psychlogical > effects of the different environments count at least as much as the ppN. A > limit of 130 ft on Air could be way to much or more or less no problem. To > limit the use of air to a max depth of 130 ft. is not our favorite limit. > > Yours > > IANTD Germany, Austria & Switzerland > > Benjamin & Marion Altkorn > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*> > An: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*> > Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; Wrolf Courtney > <wrolf@wr*.ne*>; halcyon@ha*.ne* <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Bill Mee > <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; bdi@wh*.ne* > <bdi@wh*.ne*>; techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; Christian > Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>; Mark the Nark Andrews > <extreme@de*.fr*.co*.uk*>; Afonso Pinheiro Junior > <afonso0@ib*.ne*>; Barrie Heard <bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>; Bill Nadeau > <tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>; Dick Rutkowski <dick@hy*.co*>; Erika > Haley <haley@ca*.ky*>; Fabio Amaral <fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>; Fabio Ruberti > <ruberti@io*.it*>; Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>; Garry > Howland <ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>; Gil <gildiver@di*.co*.br*>; Gina & Mark > Leonard <ginamark@at*.ne*>; Gregg Stanton <gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>; > IANTD Czech <kony@un*.cz*>; IANTD Germany <iantd@su*.de*>; IANTD > Greece <iantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*>; IANTD Holland <tekkie@xs*.nl*>; IANTD > Ireland <IANTDIRL@ao*.co*>; IANTD JAPAN <iantdjp@di*.co*>; IANTD > Japan Training <iantdjp@di*.co*>; IANTD Korea <aad@sa*.co*>; IANTD > Micronesia <psdivers@ku*.gu*.ne*>; IANTD Philippines > <iantd-rp@i-*.co*.ph*>; IANTD Philippines Alex > <techsec@i-*.co*.ph*>; IANTD Portugal <po12210@pt*.ib*.co*>; IANTD S.E. > Asia <khooss@si*.co*.sg*>; IANTD Scandanvia <egil@av*.fi*>; IANTD > South Africa <iantdsa@ia*.co*>; IANTD Spain <iantdspa@dn*.ii*.es*>; > IANTD Sweden <info@ia*.co*>; Jill Heinerth <heinerth@gt*.ne*>; Jim > Mims <divetek@oc*.co*>; John Thornton <Johnpt@sc*.co*>; Joseph > Dituri <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>; kevin gurr <100044.3401@co*.co*>; Kim > Cochrane <Cochrane@ac*.co*>; Lamar Hires <lamar@di*.co*>; Nick > Jewson <NickJewson@co*.co*>; Paul Lijnen <paull@vi*.uu*.be*>; > Paul Neilsen <mandarin@ga*.ne*.hk*>; REG BOER @ BARBARA HENSBY > <regboer@bi*.co*>; Richard Nordstrom <74663.1663@co*.co*>; > Shelley orlowski <orlowski@at*.ne*>; Vebjørn Karlsen > <karlsenv@on*.no*>; Victor Williams <diving@sp*.co*>; William J > Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com > <cavers@cavers.com>; Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; kirvne@sa*.ne* > <kirvne@sa*.ne*>; "\"Jess Armantrout\"" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; > Dan L. Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>; "\"Jody Everett\"" > <jeverett@ne*.co*>; Lawrence Orchard-London > <lorchard@Ru*.co*>; john@ro*.co*.uk* > <john@ro*.co*.uk*> > Datum: Freitag, 20. August 1999 05:03 > Betreff: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction > and158m air dives You gotta be kidding) > > > > > >The only reason I do it that way is that it is extremely easy with a > >rebreather. If I was still diving OC, I'd not waste my time with helium > >shallower than about 150 or so. > > > >Aloha, > >Rich > > > >On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Chris Werner wrote: > > > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*> > >> > If you really wanted to be conservative, then you might drop maximum > Pnarc > >> > to 4.0 atm, and require helium on all dives deeper than 100 fsw. I > might > >> > be in favor of that, as it is more or less the route I have taken on my > >> > own dives. > >> > > >> > >> Richie, I hate to have to do this but, I agree with you. The limit should > be > >> somewhere around this value. This is what we are practicing and it is > good > >> to see others that are actually diving, adopting this same type of SOP. > No > >> matter how you came about it. It is better for narcosis and for deco. > While > >> I don't use air at all, an EAD of 100' is my absolute limit on narcosis. > It > >> appears as those who do little or no deep/cave diving are the ones who > are > >> consistently pushing the limits. Those of us who are consistently diving > >> every week have already figured this one out. It is a shame that those > who > >> give the advice have not come to the same conclusions. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > > > >Richard Pyle > >Ichthyology, Bishop Museum deepreef@bi*.or* > >1525 Bernice St. PH: (808) 848-4115 > >Honolulu, HI 96817-2704 FAX: (808) 847-8252 > > > > > >
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