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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:06:51 -0400
To: Frans Vandermolen <Vandermolen@co*.co*>
CC: Joel Silverstein <joelsilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*>,
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Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE
So Frans, then you are voting for NO deep air, is that correct? BTW ,per
the usual hypocritical oath you people seem to swear to, it is ok for
you to badmouth me, but not me to badmouth you.

I never said anything here bad about Stone, in fact I said he did
something good. You just took it wrong. 

Frans, Baby, you do not seem to realize that I am not in the dive
business, have nothing to gain from waisting my time with you, and will
neither get nor lose anything I have over any of you. Trying to show
people an alternative to the bullshit that is being taught is not "self
serving" where there is nothing in it for me.

I make tapes and write articles , stories, and outlines of how to do
things and put them in other peoples' names, let other people sell them,
and let other people use them with nothing coming back to me even for
the editing costs.

I have taught more people more good information about diving than this
entire cc list of instructors, and do dives that none of you can fathom
as routine weekend fun and games. You are the ones who make a big deal
out of it, it is nothing to me other than the authority and the mandate
to call bullshit when I see it - your little air teaching program is
bullshit.

Diving nitrox at depth is bullshit.

Frans Vandermolen wrote:
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:kirvine@sa*.ne*
> >While you joke around , this cc list is mostly composed of people who
> are not only known to endorse deep air ( IANTD Deep Air courses )diving,
> but are the "board of advisors" ( pause while the laughter subsides -
> this is not a joke) that Mouth claims as his excuse for teaching deep
> air - these people insist on it according to Tom, and we all know Tom is
> not like me- he does not "dictate" like I do, but then I don't like
> problems, so I dictate, but then my guys all think as I do , so I do not
> really have to dictate - they do it for me. Tom is a tough guy, he can
> handle tons of problems at once, as evidenced again by this cc list.
> <
> 
> Mr. Irvine,
> 
> Here you go again.
> 
> I do take offense to the above statement. Being on the BOA, I know several
> other
> members of the BOA that like myself advocate use of air to about 40fsw.
> Below that
> Nitrox mixes, flollowed by trimix mixes and or heliox.
> 
> I would appreciate it to be removed from this thread, because name calling
> of Stone,
> Heinerth and others serves no other purpose than trying to be a rude and
> selfserving
> individual, something I already know about you. If you really want us to
> listen to you,
> please be constructive.
> 
> Thanks,
> frans


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