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From: "Chris Elmore" <elmorec@ga*.cl*.sc*.ed*>
Organization: University of South Carolina
To: cavers@cavers.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:09:13 EST5EDT
Subject: Translation- Re: Did I Miss Something?
Thanks George, I'll take it from here...

What George said:

> Frankie, did you write the following slobbering stupidity, or did I
> imagine it? This is the kind of crap that only the worst bottom feeding
> moron would say. Explain this to us, and tell me why anyone should
> listen to a blithering idiot like you about anything to do with diving.
> Frank, take your stuipid ass off of these lists and keep your ignorant
> dangerous mouth shut . I am really sick of dumb asses like you in
> diving. There is no reason to even be remotely polite about it.

What George meant:
"Mr. Lavallee,
	Before we enter a debate on this subject I would like to confirm that this 
is, in fact, your stated position (please see attachments below). I really have 
my doubts that anyone in the upper end of the food chain could believe this- 
let alone author it. Perhaps I'm missing something here and it's just a simple 
misunderstanding. I usually get my information from highly respectable sources 
or personal experience but I'm willing to concede that even those poor, 
unfortunate, intellectually challenged divers just might have a valid point to 
make (even as astronomically remote as that may be). On the other hand, I am a 
busy man and this list is a forum for enlightened and intelligent communication 
among the more cerebral divers of the world. Other lists are available that 
may be more receptive to your, Hmmm.... shall we say, "aberrant" view. Another
equally acceptable option is to take up a new hobby like golf where the 
prospect of assuming room temperature is more related to ambient electrical 
storms than ones ability to understand some (relatively) esoteric physiological 
concepts. I apologize if this is not what you wanted to hear from me but I 
believe in being honest without regard to how this may make you feel. I'm sure 
you can find other endeavours such as running speed traps to bolster your self 
esteem."

> 
> Message Display
> 
> From: "Frank Lavallee" <lavalle7@gt*.ne*>
> Subject: Deep Air Diving
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:27:19 -0700
> 
> One person on the cavers post made an interesting comment.  He is
> getting
> ready to take a Trimix course, but before he does, he is required to
> take a
> deep air course first.  To my knowledge, the agencies that teach Trimix
> require you to take a course(Advanced Deep Air, Extended Range, etc.)
> and
> run drills on air down to 180'.  I had to go through myself.  So what is
> the problem with using Trimix with a 180' END?  The PN2's and PO2's are
> within an acceptable range at this depth and END.  Most of the Trimix
> divers that I run into are using mixes with an END in this general
> range. 
> Are you saying that we're all wrong?  If we're going to debate the
> issue,
> let's do it civilly, without the name calling and without sarcastic and
> profane comments.
> 
> 
> Message Display
> 
> From: "Frank Lavallee" <lavalle7@gt*.ne*>
> Subject: Deep Air Diving
> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:32:35 -0700
> 
> I don't see a problem with those divers who make air dives in the 130' -
> 200' range and are trained and experienced in doing so.  What I see is a
> problem with those divers who push the physiological limits of the human
> body by making air dives to 250', 300', and beyond.  The narcosis and
> high
> PO2's are bound to get you, sooner or later, and then it's "bye-bye" and
> "so long".
> 
> 
 

Chris Elmore
Network Administrator
University of SC
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(803) 348-3055 mobile
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