Tom,
THIS PART WE DO NOT DISAGREE WITH.  IT IS ALL THE OTHER CRAP THAT WE HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH.  WHY DO YOU NOT READ WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING?  GUESS IT
IS YOUR EXCITEMENT TO FUCK UP EVEN THE SIMPLEST THINGS.

Have fun diving,
Jess

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>; Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
Cc: William J Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; cavers@cavers.com
<cavers@cavers.com>; techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking


>As far as MOD, because you guys refuse to read from the standards, HERE IS
>THAT PORTION AGAIN
>
> I A Decal stating MOD to be placed length wise on the cylinder (IAND
>inc./IANTD has these with both a fixed  MOD plus blank ones for the user to
>fill in the MOD, these are blue with white lettering  YES THE DEPTH IS
>INDICATED IN 3 INCH HIGH NUMBERS
>          OR
>II   The MOD may also be painted on the cylinder JUST AS YOU DO . STILL DO
>NOT KNOW WHY YOU GUYS REFUSE TO READ WHEN IT IS POSTED GUESS IT IS YOUR
>EXCITEMENT TO HOLLER AND SCREAM
>        OR
>III  A cylinder wrap suitable for regulator hose storage with the MOD
boldly
>marked on it may also be used
>    (these are also available through IAND inc. / IANTD
>THESE ARE PRODUCED BY DIVE RITE
>
>NOW GUYS PLEASE TAKE ME OFF YOUR cc AS I'M OFF TO CAVE COUNTRY FOR TEN
DAYS,
>AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF LOOKING AT EMAIL AND THERE IS NOTHING MORE I CARE
>TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT, I WOULD NOT EVEN SAY THIS BUT THERE ARE A FEW OUT
>THERE WHO NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS VS WHAT SOME OF YOU STATE
>
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>
>To: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>Cc: techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
><cavers@cavers.com>
>Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking
>
>
>>
>>At 08:11 AM 4/30/99 -0700, Kevin Connell wrote:
>>>Is it possible, then, for example, to order a sticker that reads "120" in
>>>3-inch high letters?
>>>
>>>At 10:01 AM 4/30/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>Obviously you do not read all the post
>>>>the MOD sticker does have 3 inch high letters on it.
>>
>>And what do they say, IANTD?????????
>>
>>I'm sure Tom thinks I'm just badgering him, but IANTD stickers, with
>>minimal advertising, with the important info, MOD, prominent and in the
>>correct horizontal orientation, would not be a bad thing since he insists
>>on making students use official IANTD stickers.
>>
>>Nanci
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully yours,
>>>>Tom Mount
>>>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>>>>http://www.iantd.com
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>
>>>>To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>;
>Ken
>>>>Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>>>Cc: techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
>>>><cavers@cavers.com>
>>>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:52 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think Tom is missing a huge business opportunity.  What if IANTD
>_made_
>>>>>new IANTDish MOD stickers?  They could be cool nitrox-y colors,
oriented
>>>>>horizontally with 3 inch numerals, but the important thing is that ALL
>>>>>IANTD divers would be required to change their bottle marking stickers
>to
>>>>>the new IANTD standard!    Those who couldn't dedicate two or three
>>>>>aluminum 80s as stage bottles would have to buy even more stickers so
>they
>>>>>could cover up the old stickers.  It would make thousands!!!!!  It's so
>>>>>simple.  I don't know why someone didn't think of this sooner!  I've
>solved
>>>>>the problem of IANTD tank marking!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 04:52 PM 4/29/99 -0400, Bill Mee wrote:
>>>>>>Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LIke a dead skunk in the road, the subject of bottle markings gets
>flatter
>>>>>>and flatter, but the stink just won't go away. I have patiently read
>>>>through
>>>>>>your bottle marking standards.  Colored Regulator Jackets and flaky
>little
>>>>>>peel off MOD stickers just do not cut it. The argument has been made
to
>>>>you
>>>>>>politely, impolitely, nastily, obnoxiously and just about every other
>way
>>>>>>possible, yet the most obvious solution to the problem still is
>missing.
>>>>It
>>>>>>is inconcievable that you don't understand the rationale and logic
>behing
>>>>>>the 3" MODs on either side of gas bottles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My question is the following: What gives? You must a have a very big
>>>>problem
>>>>>>with this method or otherwise you would have incorporated it into your
>>>>>>standards a long time ago.  There must be a good reason for not doing
>>>>this.
>>>>>>Maybe the reason is a private one and cannot be answered in public for
>>>>>>reasons of liability or economics.  Fine, then plead the fifth.
>Anyway,
>>>>I
>>>>>>think you owe everyone out here a reasonable explanation for what it
is
>>>>that
>>>>>>you cannot accept about this method.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not trying to be sarcastic and a wise guy here.  I am just very
>>>>curious
>>>>>>as to what the extreme prejudicial reason is for your finding double
>sided
>>>>>>3" MODs less acceptable than scotch tape and colored regulator
>jackets.
>>>>>>This is a fair question and since you are already out here in the
midst
>of
>>>>a
>>>>>>discussion on this public forum, in the capacity of director of the
>>>>largest
>>>>>>technical diving organization on earth, you are fair game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>>>>To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne*
>>>>>><kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>>>>>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; William J Turbeville II
><bturbo@ga*.ne*>;
>>>>>>techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
>>>>>><cavers@cavers.com>
>>>>>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:22 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ken
>>>>>>>It is not just color coding however as any photography can tell you
>and
>>>>you
>>>>>>>can prove by looking there are colors such as green, yellow and pink
>that
>>>>>>>are still visible at depth regardless of ROY G BIV. They are less
>>>>brilliant
>>>>>>>but still seeable but the point is not the color it is they state
>oxygen
>>>>0r
>>>>>>>deco gas I or Nitrox is highly visible wording. so they are readable
>to
>>>>all
>>>>>>>and identify the gas type and in deco gas and Oxygen state mod on
>them,
>>>>>>>Second the contents tape is readable to the diver, third the MOD is
>>>>>>readable
>>>>>>>to all, fourth the mountpeice wrap is completely noticeable as you
>cannot
>>>>>>>breat around it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please remove me from your CC list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Respectfully yours,
>>>>>>>Tom Mount
>>>>>>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>>>>>>>http://www.iantd.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>
>>>>>>>To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>>>>>>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Tom Mount
<TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>;
>>>>>>>William J Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; techdiver@aq*.co*
>>>>>>><techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even your typical Openwater 1 student should be able to tell you
that
>>>>>>>>color coding things is stupid if for no other reason then ROYGBIV.
>Next
>>>>>>>>we'll hear about how the students should sniff the gases to determin
>the
>>>>>>>>proper amount of oxygen in the mix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Billy , this is what happened with Jane ORensten - not only did
>they
>>>>>>>>> have no idea what was in the tanks by looking at them, they never
>even
>>>>>>>>> noticed she was breathing the wrong one based on the side bullshit
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>> Mount subscribes to ( and actually REQUIRES instructors to do if
>you
>>>>can
>>>>>>>>> believe that ), and they did not notice that the colored regs ,
>poodle
>>>>>>>>> jackets and the rest of the claptrap was wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>"What's terrible is to pretend that the second-rate
>>>>>>>>is first-rate."
>>>>>>>>                      -- Doris Lessing
>>>>>>>>                       (British writer)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>>>>http://www.pipeline.com/~nlevake/
>>>>
>>
>>
>
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