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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:11:42 -0700
To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking
Cc: techdiver@aq*.co*, cavers@cavers.com
Is it possible, then, for example, to order a sticker that reads "120" in
3-inch high letters? 

At 10:01 AM 4/30/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>Obviously you do not read all the post
>the MOD sticker does have 3 inch high letters on it.
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>
>To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Ken
>Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>Cc: techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
><cavers@cavers.com>
>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:52 PM
>Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking
>
>
>>I think Tom is missing a huge business opportunity.  What if IANTD _made_
>>new IANTDish MOD stickers?  They could be cool nitrox-y colors, oriented
>>horizontally with 3 inch numerals, but the important thing is that ALL
>>IANTD divers would be required to change their bottle marking stickers to
>>the new IANTD standard!    Those who couldn't dedicate two or three
>>aluminum 80s as stage bottles would have to buy even more stickers so they
>>could cover up the old stickers.  It would make thousands!!!!!  It's so
>>simple.  I don't know why someone didn't think of this sooner!  I've solved
>>the problem of IANTD tank marking!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:52 PM 4/29/99 -0400, Bill Mee wrote:
>>>Tom,
>>>
>>>LIke a dead skunk in the road, the subject of bottle markings gets flatter
>>>and flatter, but the stink just won't go away. I have patiently read
>through
>>>your bottle marking standards.  Colored Regulator Jackets and flaky little
>>>peel off MOD stickers just do not cut it. The argument has been made to
>you
>>>politely, impolitely, nastily, obnoxiously and just about every other way
>>>possible, yet the most obvious solution to the problem still is missing.
>It
>>>is inconcievable that you don't understand the rationale and logic behing
>>>the 3" MODs on either side of gas bottles.
>>>
>>>My question is the following: What gives? You must a have a very big
>problem
>>>with this method or otherwise you would have incorporated it into your
>>>standards a long time ago.  There must be a good reason for not doing
>this.
>>>Maybe the reason is a private one and cannot be answered in public for
>>>reasons of liability or economics.  Fine, then plead the fifth.  Anyway,
>I
>>>think you owe everyone out here a reasonable explanation for what it is
>that
>>>you cannot accept about this method.
>>>
>>>I am not trying to be sarcastic and a wise guy here.  I am just very
>curious
>>>as to what the extreme prejudicial reason is for your finding double sided
>>>3" MODs less acceptable than scotch tape and colored regulator  jackets.
>>>This is a fair question and since you are already out here in the midst of
>a
>>>discussion on this public forum, in the capacity of director of the
>largest
>>>technical diving organization on earth, you are fair game.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne*
>>><kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; William J Turbeville II
<bturbo@ga*.ne*>;
>>>techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
>>><cavers@cavers.com>
>>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:22 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>It is not just color coding however as any photography can tell you and
>you
>>>>can prove by looking there are colors such as green, yellow and pink that
>>>>are still visible at depth regardless of ROY G BIV. They are less
>brilliant
>>>>but still seeable but the point is not the color it is they state oxygen
>0r
>>>>deco gas I or Nitrox is highly visible wording. so they are readable to
>all
>>>>and identify the gas type and in deco gas and Oxygen state mod on them,
>>>>Second the contents tape is readable to the diver, third the MOD is
>>>readable
>>>>to all, fourth the mountpeice wrap is completely noticeable as you cannot
>>>>breat around it.
>>>>
>>>>Please remove me from your CC list
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully yours,
>>>>Tom Mount
>>>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>>>>http://www.iantd.com
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>
>>>>To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>>>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>;
>>>>William J Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; techdiver@aq*.co*
>>>><techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>>>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:00 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Even your typical Openwater 1 student should be able to tell you that
>>>>>color coding things is stupid if for no other reason then ROYGBIV. Next
>>>>>we'll hear about how the students should sniff the gases to determin the
>>>>>proper amount of oxygen in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Billy , this is what happened with Jane ORensten - not only did they
>>>>>> have no idea what was in the tanks by looking at them, they never even
>>>>>> noticed she was breathing the wrong one based on the side bullshit
>that
>>>>>> Mount subscribes to ( and actually REQUIRES instructors to do if you
>can
>>>>>> believe that ), and they did not notice that the colored regs , poodle
>>>>>> jackets and the rest of the claptrap was wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>"What's terrible is to pretend that the second-rate
>>>>>is first-rate."
>>>>>                      -- Doris Lessing
>>>>>                       (British writer)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>http://www.pipeline.com/~nlevake/
>

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