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From: "John R. Rose" <rose@CS*.Sc*.ED*>
Subject: Re: labeling reply to Bill Mee
To: TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: cavers@cavers.com
Tom,

What is with YOU!!!!
Any cylinder that is out of my hands damn-well gets analyzed
by me BEFORE I slap a regulator on it. It doesn't matter which dive
shop you are talking about. The fact that this person almost "bought
the farm" illustrates why this is important. Complacency kills.
Are you arguing that the student was justified in risking his life
by not analyzing the gas, or that it is unreasonable to expect that
a competent instructor would have insisted that the gas be analyzed?
The bottom line is:
1) "some idiot filled a cylinder labeled as air with a hot mix" per your
    email
2) Some idiot  student did not analyze a cylinder that was out of his
   hands over night.
3) Some idiot instructor allowed the idiot student to dive
   a cylinder without analyzing.
4) The instructor pulled the students chestnuts out of the fire.
   The silver lining of an otherwise dark cloud.

Looks to me like 3 people screwed up. By far, the biggest screw up was
that of the instructor in terms of responsibility. The reason for
instruction is to help students survive by avoiding known causes of
death, not to help them experience them prematurely.

-John


> Bill
> What is with you. We do not allow as you accuse.=20
> some idiot filled a cylinder labeled as air with a hot mix and left the =
> air label on it. The diver had been using the same air cylinder all week =
> as a bailout cylinder and had no reason to think someone would fill it =
> with a hot mix.
> =20
> If you dived a cylinder yesterday that had air in it and was labeled air =
> and you left it at for instance at Brownies dive shop  would you suspect =
> overnight someone had changed the mix?
> =20
> As per IANTD mixing standards=20
> LABELING BOTTOM MIX EANx MIXTURES WITH LESS THAN 41% OXYGEN
> 
> 
>     a.. Where applicable cylinders must be marked per legal requirements =
> in addition to the below
> 
> 
>     b.. Cylinders painted yellow must be labeled with a 4 inches (10 =
> centimeters) green band. The band must wrap around the tank starting at =
> the flat of the cylinder. The label must state "Enriched Air Nitrox" (or =
> an applicable acronym). IANTD has EANx decals available for labeling =
> tanks.
> 
> 
>     c.. Cylinders painted with colors other than yellow require a 6 =
> inches (15 centimeter) Enriched Air Nitrox band (decal) with the top 1 =
> inch (2.5 centimeters) and the bottom 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) yellow. =
> The middle of the band (decal) should be printed with a green background =
> and the message, "Enriched Air Nitrox" (or an applicable acronym) =
> printed in yellow for easy identification.
> 
> 
>     d.. Nitrox (EANx) cylinders must have Cylinder Contents Labels =
> affixed to them. The Contents label must state the oxygen percentage =
> currently in the cylinder and the Maximum Operating Depth (MOD). The =
> label must be dated and signed by the person who purchased (or =
> requested) the mix (verifying he/she confirmed the O2 percentage).
> 
> 
>     1.. This label may be a separate label, or part of the EANx band. =
> IANTD has waterproof, reusable Cylinder Contents labels and cylinder =
> content tape available for order.=20
> 
> 
>     1.. Nitrox (EANx) cylinders must have a current Visual Inspection =
> (VIP) decal stated that oxygen-compatible lubricants have been used in =
> the system (valve, tank neck, and/or cylinder). EANx cylinders used with =
> EAN 41, or greater, or for direct partial pressure blending use, must =
> have an Oxygen Service Rated VIP decal. IANTD has VIP decals (which also =
> cover both tank and valve inspections) available for order.
> 
>     a.. It is recommended that an additional label using one of the =
> following options be used, these do not replace the requirement for the =
> wrap around labels
> I A Decal stating MOD to be placed length wise on the cylinder (IAND =
> inc./IANTD has these with both a fixed=20
> 
> MOD plus blank ones for the user to fill in the MOD, these are blue with =
> white lettering=20
> 
> II The MOD may also be painted on the cylinder
> 
> III A cylinder wrap suitable for regulator hose storage with the MOD =
> boldly marked on it may also be used=20
> 
> (these are also available through IAND inc. / IANTD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> D. LABELING EANx AND DECOMPRESSION CYLINDERS (GREATER THAN 40%) AND =
> OXYGEN (OR MIXTURES GREATER THAN 85% OXYGEN) MIXTURES
> 
> 
>     a.. Cylinders containing EAN 40 to 84 must have either a color-coded =
> green and white label decal boldly stating, "Decompression Mix EAN* =
> _____." or they may use the "Breathing Gases Other Than Air" decal that =
> is red and white. (Note! This decal may be used with any gas mixture as =
> long as the mix and MOD are filled in) This label must be 10 inches (25 =
> centimeters) long and 4 inches (10 centimeters) wide. IANTD has Cylinder =
> Contents labels available for order. * Or, equivalent acronym. These =
> labels must be wrapped around the cylinder at the flat of the cylinder
> 
> 
>     b.. The decompression cylinder with the highest EANx mixture or =
> oxygen must have some form of protective mechanism to prevent the diver =
> from accidentally breathing from it. This may be a cover, bungie wrap or =
> other suitable means. IAND inc. / IANTD has a protective device =
> available
> 
> 
>     c.. All decompression cylinders must have a tape or label above the =
> flat of the cylinder visible to the user with the mix or MOD or both =
> marked. IAND inc. IANTD has these with pre marked mix and MOD as well as =
> ones with blank spaces for the user to fill in.
> 
> 
>     d.. Cylinders containing oxygen levels of 85% or greater must adhere =
> to one of the following:
> 
> 
>     1.. Be painted either green or white with the word oxygen and MOD 20 =
> fsw (6 msw) legible
> 
> 
>     2.. Have a 10 inches (25 centimeters) long by 4 inches (10 =
> centimeters) wide green adhesive band decal with the word "OXYGEN" and =
> MOD clearly and prominently printed in white on it. IANTD has waterproof =
> Oxygen Cylinder Decals available for order.
> 
>     a.. It is recommended that an additional label using one of the =
> following options, these do not replace the requirement for the wrap =
> around labels
> I A Decal stating MOD to be placed length wise on the cylinder (IAND =
> inc./IANTD has these with both a fixed=20
> 
> MOD plus blank ones for the user to fill in the MOD, these are blue with =
> white lettering=20
> 
> II The MOD may also be painted on the cylinder
> 
> III A cylinder wrap suitable for regulator hose storage with the MOD =
> boldly marked on it may also be used=20
> 
> (these are also available through IAND inc. / IANTD
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     a.. LABELING TRIMIX MIXTURES
> 
>     a.. Cylinders containing Trimix must be labeled with the word, =
> "Trimix", or "Breathing gas other than air". A Cylinder Contents Label =
> or tape reflecting the percentages of Oxygen, and Helium must be affixed =
> to the tank.
> 
> =20
> 
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Tom Mount
> CEO IANTD World HQ
> http://www.iantd.com
> 
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Tom Mount
> CEO IANTD World HQ
> http://www.iantd.com
> 
> 
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>What is
with =
> you. We do not=20
> allow as you accuse. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>some idiot filled a cylinder labeled as air with a =
> hot mix and=20
> left the air label on it. The diver had been using the same air cylinder =
> all=20
> week as a bailout cylinder and had no reason to think someone would fill =
> it with=20
> a hot mix.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you dived a cylinder yesterday that had air in
it =
> and was=20
> labeled air and you left it at for instance at Brownies dive shop  =
> would=20
> you suspect overnight someone had changed the mix?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>As per IANTD mixing standards =
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><B><FONT
face=3D"Arial =
> Narrow" size=3D4>
> <P>LABELING BOTTOM MIX EANx MIXTURES WITH LESS THAN 41%=20
> OXYGEN</P></B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D1>
> <OL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D3>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Where applicable cylinders must be marked per legal requirements =
> in=20
>     addition to the below</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Cylinders painted yellow must be labeled with a 4 inches (10=20
>     centimeters) green band. The band must wrap around the tank starting =
> at the=20
>     flat of the cylinder. The label must state "Enriched Air =
> Nitrox"=20
>     (or an applicable acronym). IANTD has EANx decals available for =
> labeling=20
>     tanks.</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI value=3D1>Cylinders painted with colors other than yellow =
> require a 6=20
>     inches (15 centimeter) Enriched Air Nitrox band (decal) with the top =
> 1 inch=20
>     (2.5 centimeters) and the bottom 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) yellow. =
> The middle=20
>     of the band (decal) should be printed with a green background and =
> the=20
>     message, "Enriched Air Nitrox" (or an applicable acronym) =
> printed=20
>     in yellow for easy identification.</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Nitrox (EANx) cylinders must have Cylinder Contents Labels =
> affixed to=20
>     them. The Contents label must state the oxygen percentage currently =
> in the=20
>     cylinder and the Maximum Operating Depth (MOD). The label must be =
> dated and=20
>     signed by the person who purchased (or requested) the mix (verifying =
> he/she=20
>     confirmed the O<SUB>2</SUB> percentage).</LI>
>     <P></P></OL>
> <OL type=3Da>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>This label may be a separate label, or part of the EANx band. =
> IANTD has=20
>     waterproof, reusable Cylinder Contents labels and cylinder content =
> tape=20
>     available for order. </LI>
>     <P></P></OL>
> <OL start=3D4>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Nitrox (EANx) cylinders must have a current Visual Inspection =
> (VIP)=20
>     decal stated that oxygen-compatible lubricants have been used in the =
> system=20
>     (valve, tank neck, and/or cylinder). EANx cylinders used with EAN =
> 41, or=20
>     greater, or for direct partial pressure blending use, must have an =
> Oxygen=20
>     Service Rated VIP decal. IANTD has VIP decals (which also cover both =
> tank=20
>     and valve inspections) available for order.</LI>
>     <P></P></OL>
> <OL type=3Da></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow">
>     <LI>It is recommended that an additional label using one of the =
> following=20
>     options be used, <B>these do not replace the requirement for the =
> wrap around=20
>     labels</LI></OL>
> <DIR>
> <DIR>
> <DIR></B>
> <P>I A Decal stating MOD to be placed length wise on the cylinder (IAND=20
> inc./IANTD has these with both a fixed </P>
> <P>MOD plus blank ones for the user to fill in the MOD, these are blue =
> with=20
> white lettering </P>
> <P>II The MOD may also be painted on the cylinder</P>
> <P>III A cylinder wrap suitable for regulator hose storage with the MOD =
> boldly=20
> marked on it may also be used </P>
> <P>(these are also available through IAND inc. /
IANTD</P></FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D3>
> <P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow">
> <P> </P></DIR></DIR></DIR></FONT><B><FONT
face=3D"Arial Narrow" =
> size=3D4>
> <P>D. LABELING EANx AND DECOMPRESSION CYLINDERS (GREATER THAN 40%) AND =
> OXYGEN=20
> (OR MIXTURES GREATER THAN 85% OXYGEN)
MIXTURES</P></B></FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D1>
> <OL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D3>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Cylinders containing EAN 40 to 84 must have either a color-coded =
> green=20
>     and white label decal boldly stating, "Decompression Mix EAN*=20
>     _____." or they may use the "Breathing Gases Other Than =
> Air"=20
>     decal that is red and white. (Note! This decal may be used with any =
> gas=20
>     mixture as long as the mix and MOD are filled in) This label must be =
> 10=20
>     inches (25 centimeters) long and 4 inches (10 centimeters) wide. =
> IANTD has=20
>     Cylinder Contents labels available for order. * Or, equivalent =
> acronym.=20
>     These labels must be wrapped around the cylinder at the flat of the=20
>     cylinder</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>The decompression cylinder with the highest EANx mixture or =
> oxygen must=20
>     have some form of protective mechanism to prevent the diver from=20
>     accidentally breathing from it. This may be a cover, bungie wrap or =
> other=20
>     suitable means. IAND inc. / IANTD has a protective device =
> available</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>All decompression cylinders must have a tape or label above the =
> flat of=20
>     the cylinder visible to the user with the mix or MOD or both marked. =
> IAND=20
>     inc. IANTD has these with pre marked mix and MOD as well as ones =
> with blank=20
>     spaces for the user to fill in.</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Cylinders containing oxygen levels of 85% or greater must adhere =
> to one=20
>     of the following:</LI>
>     <P></P></OL>
> <OL type=3Da>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Be painted either green or white with the word oxygen and MOD 20 =
> fsw (6=20
>     msw) legible</LI>
>     <P></P>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Have a 10 inches (25 centimeters) long by 4 inches (10 =
> centimeters) wide=20
>     green adhesive band decal with the word "OXYGEN" and MOD =
> clearly=20
>     and prominently printed in white on it. IANTD has waterproof Oxygen =
> Cylinder=20
>     Decals available for order.</LI>
>     <P></P></OL>
> <OL start=3D5></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow">
>     <LI>It is recommended that an additional label using one of the =
> following=20
>     options, <B>these do not replace the requirement for the wrap around =
> 
>     labels</LI></OL>
> <DIR>
> <DIR>
> <DIR></B>
> <P>I A Decal stating MOD to be placed length wise on the cylinder (IAND=20
> inc./IANTD has these with both a fixed </P>
> <P>MOD plus blank ones for the user to fill in the MOD, these are blue =
> with=20
> white lettering </P>
> <P>II The MOD may also be painted on the cylinder</P>
> <P>III A cylinder wrap suitable for regulator hose storage with the MOD =
> boldly=20
> marked on it may also be used </P>
> <P>(these are also available through IAND inc. /
IANTD</P></FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D3>
> <P align=3Djustify></P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow">
> <P> </P></DIR></DIR></DIR>
> <OL start=3D6 type=3DA></FONT><B><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"
size=3D4>
>     <LI>LABELING TRIMIX MIXTURES</LI></OL></B></FONT><FONT
face=3D"Arial =
> Narrow"=20
> size=3D1>
> <OL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D3>
>     <P align=3Djustify>
>     <LI>Cylinders containing Trimix must be labeled with the word,=20
>     "Trimix", or "Breathing gas other than air". A =
> Cylinder=20
>     Contents Label or tape reflecting the percentages of Oxygen, and =
> Helium must=20
>     be affixed to the tank.</LI>
>     <P></P></OL></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial
Narrow"></FONT><FONT =
> face=3DArial size=3D5>
> <P></FONT> </P></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR>Respectfully
yours,<BR>Tom =
> Mount<BR>CEO=20
> IANTD World HQ<BR><A=20
>
href=3D"http://www.iantd.com">http://www.iantd.com</A><BR></FONT></D
IV></=
> DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR>Respectfully
yours,<BR>Tom =
> Mount<BR>CEO=20
> IANTD World HQ<BR><A=20
>
href=3D"http://www.iantd.com">http://www.iantd.com</A><BR></FONT></D
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