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George,
From what I have heard of the WKPP it is an extraordinary organization,
however, you have made a few detractors (for lack of a better word). But, what
I have noticed is that you at times are verbose and ill tempered. Even though,
your accomplishments should easily speak for themselves, you seem to get
enjoyment in arguing the point with people who obviously know nothing about
what you do. Every time I have ever seen anyone ask for information it seems
to have been given willfully and freely, even though at times in a rather
condescending manner.

I am very interested in getting to know more about the WKPP and, if luck have
it, see first hand how you accomplish the feats you are so well known to do. I
do question the premise of DIR. I have always been taught that what is right
for me is not always right for you. I, of course, do not or have not studied
DIR in any way shape or form, so please, do not think that I am arguing the
point, just asking.

In talking to others, well versed in technical diving, I have found that you
are often put into the same category as Brett Gillam, and Bill Stone. Both of
which you don't seem to respect or like. I think this is more to do with your
soap box style of preaching of DIR. But from the few conversations I have had
with you, and seeing the wealth of knowledge you and the rest of the WKPP
have, especially in the cave diving, I find this generalization to be hard to
believe.

Any answers you are willing to give on any of my statements will be gratefully
accepted and welcomed.

Alfred

kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:

> Michael, you obviously have been misled. Your line of reasoning follows
> the Brett Giliam/Bill Stone rationale, a well-documented non sequitur.
> If you have a better way of doing things let's hear the logic? If you
> think it is a good idea to sit back while well-known and celebrated
> divers like Rob Palmer and Rob Parker try to set deep air records or get
> killed deep air diving in caves and make up lies and excuses for them,
> then join the Gilliam/Stone team - I stand up for what is right while
> myself trying to set a good example in diving , depite extreme efforts
> by your sources of misinformation to stifle and criticize that.
>
> Steffie Pamer did not hear of Rob's death from me - she heard it from
> the same sources we all did. And by the way, you are just spreading
> Gilliam's lies - that makes you just like him. See the article by the
> guy who was Rob's dive buddy - Rob was doing exactly what I said he was
> doing . That makes him one dumb SOB, and that makes all of his yapping
> little stroke buddies, Like Marttyn  Farr and the rest of the big shot
> TDI flagellants a pack of fools without the balls to do what is right or
> accept the consequences of their actions. By the way, our hamering of
> these guys has obviously worked - they changed all of their standards.
>
> The WKPP always needs money, but your boy Bill Stone did not wnat to buy
> his ten scooters from me, he wanted one to copy. It ended up costing him
> a lot more than what I offered him, as well as ruin his project. Again,
> his fualt, not mine.
>
> I don't dive electronic rebreathers - I dive mechanical. I have made the
> reasons clear. It seems that the track record of electonic rebreathers
> speaks for itself, and at Wakulla they were not even able to do what I
> did on open circuit, despite the fact that all they had to do is follow
> the lines in excellent diving conditions.
>
> You are spreading more lies about the "cut lines" - maybe you can
> document that for us?  The fact is that I am under no obligation to hold
> Bill Stone's hand - he said he could do it better than I did it - I said
> he could not. I was right.
>
> When people like you get information from the WKPP, like deco
> information, all you want to do is argue with it. We give it to you, you
> argue, and then you say you were not given it. I think you will find
> that anyhone who wants information from me gets it, and gets it in
> person. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you are
> certainly entitled to not like me or our organization, but lying about
> it, making up crap, and using a known quantity like Gilliam or Stone as
> your "authoritative source" is not acceptable.
>
> I do not attend anything that has anything to do with the NSS/CDS , as
> they are in fact the "red necks" you describe, but when you go there you
> will have plenty of sympathizers in the cave "community" , but if you
> need to be bitch slapped, I am sure we can arrange it, but you will have
> to get in line behind several far more deserving big mouths. We just do
> not have time for you or your "community". Mikie, the fact is that our
> group is a bigger commnunity, and one that is out there doing it while
> you and yours are just speculating about it and doing so in a vacuum of
> misinformation and self-deluded wallowing stupidity - wake up and smell
> the facts, which are that we exist and are open to everyone - we are
> where the action is.
>

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