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Michael, you obviously have been misled. Your line of reasoning follows
the Brett Giliam/Bill Stone rationale, a well-documented non sequitur.
If you have a better way of doing things let's hear the logic? If you
think it is a good idea to sit back while well-known and celebrated
divers like Rob Palmer and Rob Parker try to set deep air records or get
killed deep air diving in caves and make up lies and excuses for them,
then join the Gilliam/Stone team - I stand up for what is right while
myself trying to set a good example in diving , depite extreme efforts
by your sources of misinformation to stifle and criticize that.

Steffie Pamer did not hear of Rob's death from me - she heard it from
the same sources we all did. And by the way, you are just spreading
Gilliam's lies - that makes you just like him. See the article by the
guy who	was Rob's dive buddy - Rob was doing exactly what I said he was
doing . That makes him one dumb SOB, and that makes all of his yapping
little stroke buddies, Like Marttyn  Farr and the rest of the big shot
TDI flagellants a pack of fools without the balls to do what is right or
accept the consequences of their actions. By the way, our hamering of
these guys has obviously worked - they changed all of their standards.

The WKPP always needs money, but your boy Bill Stone did not wnat to buy
his ten scooters from me, he wanted one to copy. It ended up costing him
a lot more than what I offered him, as well as ruin his project. Again,
his fualt, not mine.

I don't dive electronic rebreathers - I dive mechanical. I have made the
reasons clear. It seems that the track record of electonic rebreathers
speaks for itself, and at Wakulla they were not even able to do what I
did on open circuit, despite the fact that all they had to do is follow
the lines in excellent diving conditions.

You are spreading more lies about the "cut lines" - maybe you can
document that for us?  The fact is that I am under no obligation to hold
Bill Stone's hand - he said he could do it better than I did it - I said
he could not. I was right. 

When people like you get information from the WKPP, like deco
information, all you want to do is argue with it. We give it to you, you
argue, and then you say you were not given it. I think you will find
that anyhone who wants information from me gets it, and gets it in
person. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you are
certainly entitled to not like me or our organization, but lying about
it, making up crap, and using a known quantity like Gilliam or Stone as
your "authoritative source" is not acceptable.

I do not attend anything that has anything to do with the NSS/CDS , as
they are in fact the "red necks" you describe, but when you go there you
will have plenty of sympathizers in the cave "community" , but if you
need to be bitch slapped, I am sure we can arrange it, but you will have
to get in line behind several far more deserving big mouths. We just do
not have time for you or your "community". Mikie, the fact is that our
group is a bigger commnunity, and one that is out there doing it while
you and yours are just speculating about it and doing so in a vacuum of
misinformation and self-deluded wallowing stupidity - wake up and smell
the facts, which are that we exist and are open to everyone - we are
where the action is.


Michael Fisch wrote:
> 
> The question was raised: What has the WKPP done for cave diving, and
> technical diving?
> 
> Here are some answers:
> 
> 1. If you do not dive my way you cannot dive with me.
> 2. Some WKPP members have done a good job showing others how to rig
> gear, commendable.
> 3. I have the best scooter, and you cannot see or buy one like it
> without joining my club. This has now changed since the WKPP now needs
> money.
> 4. Rebreathers are sure death and no WKPP member will ever use one,
> untill George got talked into trying one out. Suddenly they were the
> best thing since sliced  bread, but only the kind George likes.
> 5. Any time someone dies on an extended risk dive suddenly he/she
> is/was an asshole, idiot and fool according to some WKPP members on the
> list. Whose wife was it who learned that her husband was dead after
> reading Georges postings about the dead idiot on the list?
> 6. What a nice bunch of people who either will not tell you anything
> about a cave, or even worse will give only misleading information about
> its passageways.
> 7. What would you do if I cut the line in a cave before you dived in it?
> And then lied about doing it. No wonder USDCT is pissed off at George.
> 8. The WKPP has an excellent Decompression algorithim the can cut hours
> of decompression time and reduce the risks of getting an O2 hit. I
> really like the amount of information available about it to non-WKPP
> members -NONE.
> 
> What a nice bunch of People! With an attitude like that they should be
> working for the IRS or someone else who can appreciate their endearing
> human nature.
> 
> Michael Fisch
> 
>

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