Michael, you obviously have been misled. Your line of reasoning follows the Brett Giliam/Bill Stone rationale, a well-documented non sequitur. If you have a better way of doing things let's hear the logic? If you think it is a good idea to sit back while well-known and celebrated divers like Rob Palmer and Rob Parker try to set deep air records or get killed deep air diving in caves and make up lies and excuses for them, then join the Gilliam/Stone team - I stand up for what is right while myself trying to set a good example in diving , depite extreme efforts by your sources of misinformation to stifle and criticize that. Steffie Pamer did not hear of Rob's death from me - she heard it from the same sources we all did. And by the way, you are just spreading Gilliam's lies - that makes you just like him. See the article by the guy who was Rob's dive buddy - Rob was doing exactly what I said he was doing . That makes him one dumb SOB, and that makes all of his yapping little stroke buddies, Like Marttyn Farr and the rest of the big shot TDI flagellants a pack of fools without the balls to do what is right or accept the consequences of their actions. By the way, our hamering of these guys has obviously worked - they changed all of their standards. The WKPP always needs money, but your boy Bill Stone did not wnat to buy his ten scooters from me, he wanted one to copy. It ended up costing him a lot more than what I offered him, as well as ruin his project. Again, his fualt, not mine. I don't dive electronic rebreathers - I dive mechanical. I have made the reasons clear. It seems that the track record of electonic rebreathers speaks for itself, and at Wakulla they were not even able to do what I did on open circuit, despite the fact that all they had to do is follow the lines in excellent diving conditions. You are spreading more lies about the "cut lines" - maybe you can document that for us? The fact is that I am under no obligation to hold Bill Stone's hand - he said he could do it better than I did it - I said he could not. I was right. When people like you get information from the WKPP, like deco information, all you want to do is argue with it. We give it to you, you argue, and then you say you were not given it. I think you will find that anyhone who wants information from me gets it, and gets it in person. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to not like me or our organization, but lying about it, making up crap, and using a known quantity like Gilliam or Stone as your "authoritative source" is not acceptable. I do not attend anything that has anything to do with the NSS/CDS , as they are in fact the "red necks" you describe, but when you go there you will have plenty of sympathizers in the cave "community" , but if you need to be bitch slapped, I am sure we can arrange it, but you will have to get in line behind several far more deserving big mouths. We just do not have time for you or your "community". Mikie, the fact is that our group is a bigger commnunity, and one that is out there doing it while you and yours are just speculating about it and doing so in a vacuum of misinformation and self-deluded wallowing stupidity - wake up and smell the facts, which are that we exist and are open to everyone - we are where the action is. Michael Fisch wrote: > > The question was raised: What has the WKPP done for cave diving, and > technical diving? > > Here are some answers: > > 1. If you do not dive my way you cannot dive with me. > 2. Some WKPP members have done a good job showing others how to rig > gear, commendable. > 3. I have the best scooter, and you cannot see or buy one like it > without joining my club. This has now changed since the WKPP now needs > money. > 4. Rebreathers are sure death and no WKPP member will ever use one, > untill George got talked into trying one out. Suddenly they were the > best thing since sliced bread, but only the kind George likes. > 5. Any time someone dies on an extended risk dive suddenly he/she > is/was an asshole, idiot and fool according to some WKPP members on the > list. Whose wife was it who learned that her husband was dead after > reading Georges postings about the dead idiot on the list? > 6. What a nice bunch of people who either will not tell you anything > about a cave, or even worse will give only misleading information about > its passageways. > 7. What would you do if I cut the line in a cave before you dived in it? > And then lied about doing it. No wonder USDCT is pissed off at George. > 8. The WKPP has an excellent Decompression algorithim the can cut hours > of decompression time and reduce the risks of getting an O2 hit. I > really like the amount of information available about it to non-WKPP > members -NONE. > > What a nice bunch of People! With an attitude like that they should be > working for the IRS or someone else who can appreciate their endearing > human nature. > > Michael Fisch > >
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