The real issue here continues to be the fact that the WKPP members do
the work, the design and development, do the diving, share the
information and the actual stuff, and then get screwed by those who want
to take that and profit from it with no regard for the fact that WKPP
stuff is sold to benefit the ongoing project.

 This is obviously a trend that was begun by one Dr. Bill Stone and his
"usdct" who outright stole the WKPP scooter design, (albeit the wrong
one an they could not make it work) and who tried repreatedly to claim
the WKPP results in magazine articles ,etc. 

 The "community" is obviusly emboldened by Stone's actions, and by the
antics of the pathetic group of trailer rats he has gathered around him
to do this, and has now started becoming agressive in this obvious
attempt to injure and insult the WKPP.

They just do not yet understand what they are doing here.


kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> 
> Jim, the web site is Arnold's. He owns AUL.
> 
> Jim Cobb wrote:
> >
> > Oh for Christs Sake, lets get real here. The reason that the ratster has
> > his panties in a wad is the fact that this web site promotes AUL products
> > and not his gear. All this huff-and-puffery is just a smokescreen and a
> > bunch of baby-like boo-hooing that, frankly, does not reflect well on
> > Miller or his products.
> >
> > You are in the real world now, Miller, you need to start acting like a
> > business professional and not a redneck hillbilly pickemuptruck cowboy.
> > You need to take your marketing medicine like a man and quit belaboring
> > the list with your whining.
> >
> >    Jim
> >
> > Sender: Michel Therrien  Date: 3/24/99 9:29 AM
> >
> > >Dear Pagefix, (who is Pagefix?)
> > >
> > >I am not Barry's friend, nor a WKPP diver or affiliate.  I will admit that
> > >I don't always like the attitude of some WKPP leaders.
> > >
> > >This said, the reason why I wrote the message is not to defend Barry... it
> > >is a question of principle.  I have no tolerance for pirating, steeling and
> > >unethical behavior such as taking someones material without his permission.
> > > I propably have this attitude because I worked in the software industry (I
> > >don't know).
> > >
> > >Is there a reason why you stay anonymous?  This is another thing I have
> > >problem with... I guess.
> > >
> > >Please note that the issue for me is not legal... it is ethical. While the
> > >law may allow to copy someone's material for educative purposes, I don't
> > >think this is honest.
> > >
> > >Is it so hard to ask permission to use material PRIOR to using it? I was
> > >flattered that the NSS-CDS recently asked me to use some of my pictures.
> > >On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off if I saw my pictures
> > >without any prior discussion about their use.
> > >
> > >Michel Therrien
> > >Montreal, Canada
> > >
> > >PS: I know it is unethical to copy private messages in public forums, but I
> > >started public and I think your answer may help the rest of the crowd to
> > >understand your position.
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:04 AM 3/24/99 EST, you wrote:
> > >>Michel the video was given to one of our sponsors and we took some clips
of
> > >>it.  The law states that you can us this type of material as long as you
are
> > >>not selling it to make a profit.  We e-mailed Barry with an apology for
the
> > >>mistake and fixed the problem.  He didn't post that part on you cavers
list
> > >>just the other parts that he wanted you to see.  The fact of the matter
is we
> > >>would have agreed with what he asked but after the flaming he gave us we
took
> > >>a defensive posture.  What is wrong with him has he no respect for
> > >anything or
> > >>one?  I am sorry if you want to punish AUL for Barry Millers Flaming and
Lies
> > >>to us.  But if you feel like the only way to help Barry is kicking another
> > >>company so be it.
> > >>Most people don't use the language that Barry has used to a dog but if he
> > >>wants to talk like that it a free country and God bless him.
> > >>Please except our apologies for any misunderstanding and thanks for you
> > >input.
> > >>pagefix@ao*
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> >
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