Jim, the web site is Arnold's. He owns AUL.

Jim Cobb wrote:
> 
> Oh for Christs Sake, lets get real here. The reason that the ratster has
> his panties in a wad is the fact that this web site promotes AUL products
> and not his gear. All this huff-and-puffery is just a smokescreen and a
> bunch of baby-like boo-hooing that, frankly, does not reflect well on
> Miller or his products.
> 
> You are in the real world now, Miller, you need to start acting like a
> business professional and not a redneck hillbilly pickemuptruck cowboy.
> You need to take your marketing medicine like a man and quit belaboring
> the list with your whining.
> 
>    Jim
> 
> Sender: Michel Therrien  Date: 3/24/99 9:29 AM
> 
> >Dear Pagefix, (who is Pagefix?)
> >
> >I am not Barry's friend, nor a WKPP diver or affiliate.  I will admit that
> >I don't always like the attitude of some WKPP leaders.
> >
> >This said, the reason why I wrote the message is not to defend Barry... it
> >is a question of principle.  I have no tolerance for pirating, steeling and
> >unethical behavior such as taking someones material without his permission.
> > I propably have this attitude because I worked in the software industry (I
> >don't know).
> >
> >Is there a reason why you stay anonymous?  This is another thing I have
> >problem with... I guess.
> >
> >Please note that the issue for me is not legal... it is ethical. While the
> >law may allow to copy someone's material for educative purposes, I don't
> >think this is honest.
> >
> >Is it so hard to ask permission to use material PRIOR to using it? I was
> >flattered that the NSS-CDS recently asked me to use some of my pictures.
> >On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off if I saw my pictures
> >without any prior discussion about their use.
> >
> >Michel Therrien
> >Montreal, Canada
> >
> >PS: I know it is unethical to copy private messages in public forums, but I
> >started public and I think your answer may help the rest of the crowd to
> >understand your position.
> >
> >
> >At 09:04 AM 3/24/99 EST, you wrote:
> >>Michel the video was given to one of our sponsors and we took some clips of
> >>it.  The law states that you can us this type of material as long as you are
> >>not selling it to make a profit.  We e-mailed Barry with an apology for the
> >>mistake and fixed the problem.  He didn't post that part on you cavers list
> >>just the other parts that he wanted you to see.  The fact of the matter is
we
> >>would have agreed with what he asked but after the flaming he gave us we
took
> >>a defensive posture.  What is wrong with him has he no respect for
> >anything or
> >>one?  I am sorry if you want to punish AUL for Barry Millers Flaming and
Lies
> >>to us.  But if you feel like the only way to help Barry is kicking another
> >>company so be it.
> >>Most people don't use the language that Barry has used to a dog but if he
> >>wants to talk like that it a free country and God bless him.
> >>Please except our apologies for any misunderstanding and thanks for you
> >input.
> >>pagefix@ao*
> >>
> >>
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