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From: "SJ" <aqua34@ci*.ru*>
To: <cavers@cavers.com>
Subject: Re: caveworld.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:22:02 +0300
There is no such thing as copyrighting in the US law, copyright for images
and text stays with the author, and is non-transferrable - only the
publishing rights can be transferred. It should not be confused with
trademarks.

Another curious angle about the whle story is that the front page of the
site and other pages about it is that it has the same pictures that are
normally used to promote the PATENTED (!) XTec thing. We seem to be dealing
here with a group of individuals who really BELIEVE in copyrighting or
patenting things that other people create, so, alas,  my friend Barry's
mishap comes as no surprise.

It doesn't really makes sense to get mad at this particular case either.
Normally people like that REALLY don't understand what you are taliking
aboutknow anything about when it comes to etherial chimeras like "honor",
"conscience", and such - money and their own material well being is the only
language they understand, so find yourself the meanest copyright lawyer,
Barry, of the personal injury persuasion, and set him or her after them!!!

On the other hand, it's good to know tht there seems to be a consensus of
general disgust on this subject on cavers. Joining in the disgust and -

My absolutyerly best to everyone,

Sergei Joukov


-----Original Message-----
From: Adri KC Haine <darkangel@en*.co*>
To: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 3:37 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: caveword pictures


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>DATE: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:38:32
>From: "Adri KC Haine" <darkangel@en*.co*>
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>it says: "
>I am sorry, but the pictures have been asked to be removed
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>By Barry Miller of the WKPP.
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>We will remove them when the copyright papers are received.
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>We have stated in a e-mail to Mr. Miller this request and
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>will remove them upon receipt of the copyright notice."
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>at the caveworld website.
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>Does that mean that, if Barry didn't actually have his pictures
copyrighted, he cannot take any action against them being used?
>Anyone have the legal angle on this?
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>rgds
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>Adri KC Haine
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>darkangel@en*.co*
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>"Killer factors in technical diving are complacency, attitude, oxygen
>toxicity, exceeding personal limits, ignorance and complexity."
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