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Dear Pagefix, (who is Pagefix?)

I am not Barry's friend, nor a WKPP diver or affiliate.  I will admit that
I don't always like the attitude of some WKPP leaders.

This said, the reason why I wrote the message is not to defend Barry... it
is a question of principle.  I have no tolerance for pirating, steeling and
unethical behavior such as taking someones material without his permission.
 I propably have this attitude because I worked in the software industry (I
don't know).  

Is there a reason why you stay anonymous?  This is another thing I have
problem with... I guess.

Please note that the issue for me is not legal... it is ethical. While the
law may allow to copy someone's material for educative purposes, I don't
think this is honest.

Is it so hard to ask permission to use material PRIOR to using it? I was
flattered that the NSS-CDS recently asked me to use some of my pictures.
On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off if I saw my pictures
without any prior discussion about their use.

Michel Therrien
Montreal, Canada

PS: I know it is unethical to copy private messages in public forums, but I
started public and I think your answer may help the rest of the crowd to
understand your position.  


At 09:04 AM 3/24/99 EST, you wrote:
>Michel the video was given to one of our sponsors and we took some clips of
>it.  The law states that you can us this type of material as long as you are
>not selling it to make a profit.  We e-mailed Barry with an apology for the
>mistake and fixed the problem.  He didn't post that part on you cavers list
>just the other parts that he wanted you to see.  The fact of the matter is we
>would have agreed with what he asked but after the flaming he gave us we took
>a defensive posture.  What is wrong with him has he no respect for
anything or
>one?  I am sorry if you want to punish AUL for Barry Millers Flaming and Lies
>to us.  But if you feel like the only way to help Barry is kicking another
>company so be it.
>Most people don't use the language that Barry has used to a dog but if he
>wants to talk like that it a free country and God bless him.
>Please except our apologies for any misunderstanding and thanks for you
input.
>pagefix@ao*
>
>

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