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These maps aren't for entertainment, tom. My understanding is that they're for scientific study of groundwater resources. Who cares which one "provides you with a better idea of the cave". --------------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> Northwest Labor Systems http://www.nwls.com --------------------------------------- On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Thomas A. Easop wrote: > KVI wrote: > > > Tom, you sure looked hard to find Stone's crappy maps - I could not find > > them until I looked everywhere after Mouth's glowing review. > > > > None of you want to get the picture here - the WKPP has spent years and > > lives exploring these caves. Stone is a pretending dillatante with a lot > > of money to blow. He spent 37 days getting that pathetic map. That > > represents nothing compared to what we have mapped. > > > > He will not see 90% of that, and he does not know it exists. Notice his > > wonder at seeing a tunnel with the mapper - he better get used to that, > > there are over 30 of them, and we smoked them all, leaving him nothing > > within human reason to explore. > > > > Tom, we run miles every time we dive there - he does miles in the basin. > > We do the same thing everywhere, everytime. We have no abortions, no > > clusters, no excuses - we get it done. > > > > We all have our own gear, we all pay our own way. These guys are a joke. > > I realize that you are all hoping for somebody to show me up, but then > > don't you think they should start by doing what it would take to do just > > that, rather than bullshitting around like they are? What kind of > > example would it set if they did get lucky? Would it warm your little > > heart to know that it takes a million bucks, $17,000 ccr's, bells , > > chambers, $30,000 scooters etc to get a level playing field with what I > > can do in my sleep? Do you think it is impresive that these strokes have > > not even gotten within half the distance that I went on my first dive in > > the cave ? Are you impresed that these pathetic fools have not gotten to > > where Steve Irving and Bill Gavin laid the line to in our one allotted > > dive in 1991 on TEKNA DV 3X'S AND A FREAKING STAGE? > > I am impressed by the visual information presented in their map. Your maps do not > provide the same visual information. > > BTW, I found the USDCT just as easy to find as all of yours, but I do not see > anything links wise to more maps on sites other than the WKPP site. > > Also, I do not think anyone is arguing that the WKPP does not hold the records, > does not know the most about the cave, etc. I know I'm not saying that. So chill > out. I said I liked thier map, as limited as it may be in scope to yours, it > provides me with a better idea of the cave. And I hope to see that map completed > to include the entire system. I don't care who does it, the WKPP, the USDCT, or > little green men from Mars. > > > These guys suck , in plain English, and no amount of lying, dancing > > prancing or bullshitting will ever get them anywhere near what we do - > > ever. What we do and the way we do it is available to anyone anywhere - > > you do not need a million bucks or Jim King's money or anything else to > > do what we do in any cave, and our affilaited groups around the world > > prove that every day. What Stone is doing does nobody any good but > > Stone. > > > > Thomas A. Easop wrote: > > > > > > KVI wrote: > > > > > > > Thomas A. Easop wrote: how great the maps are, and how bad we are. > > > > > > Chill out George. I said I liked the maps, I did not say anyone was bad. As > > > for your other maps, I haven't seen them yet. I did not see links to more > > > maps at your site. I will go look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, the maps on Stone's web page are crap compared to our sonar maps, > > > > and we do in fact not only have 3d maps limked to our maps on U of > > > > Wyomings's site, we have wire frame and moveble maps that tell the real > > > > tale. The sonar runs we made recently are only shown in cross section, > > > > the maps on the Sun Micro machine are complete. > > > > > > > > We DID map the whole system, Tom. It has already been done. That is past > > > > tense, Tom. If you can read Stone's map, you are one cleaver guy, since > > > > I know that cave better than any peson alive and the map is garbage. His > > > > mapper obviously has little or no power at all - the dope must have the > > > > tranducers inside the hull of the scooter or something. Also, his > > > > "inertial navigation' is not working too well. > > > > > > > > I can see how you and Tom Mouth would be impressed . > > > >
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