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Why don't you grow a set of balls and post with your real name? > Date: 16 Dec 98 08:01:29 CST > From: Stroke Diver <strokediver@us*.ne*> > To: clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed* > Subject: RE: The usdct saga continues.. > Cc: cavers@cavers.com > Why didn't you send this to Stone and the USDCT? > > Strokie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Werner [mailto:clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 7:36 PM > > To: Richard Pyle; Bill Mee > > Cc: Jess Armantrout; cavers; KVI > > Subject: The usdct saga continues.. > > > > > > To Stone and Co., > > It has come to my attention that you are recruiting new > > local people for > > support at Wakulla. You have gone out and got yourself some > > real experienced > > people. From what I have heard from them, they will be doing > > deep support > > for your rebreather divers. This is to inform you that your > > choice in very > > poor. Not only have you not gotten experienced divers you have picked > > untrained divers. I just thought I would let you know that > > two of them are > > only cavern certified and one is apprentice certified. They > > all have less > > that 20 real dives in any cavern or cave. I hope you don't > > get these guys in > > over their heads beyond the restriction. I also suppose that > > they will be on > > air since deep air heroics got most of the others on the team. > > You guys must seriously be hurting for people. I guess > > that most of the > > experienced guys who might even help you, and they definitely > > want to dive > > Wakulla basin, have a clue as to how inexperienced your team > > really is. What > > is worse is that they probably realized that the cast of > > circus clowns you > > have now, have absolutely no idea what they are doing. > > It wouldn't surprise me if that aussie who got bent may > > have just gone > > for a joy ride, got in over his head and came out scared. > > What type of deco > > gas was he breathing anyway? I have a feeling that you guys, > > just from what > > your web page says, probably paid about $20,000 for deco > > algorithms that > > don't even work and have never been tested. You have overpaid > > for everything > > else, why not algorithms. The latest update obviously proves > > this. Who do > > you have advising you on tables now? Some of the infamous > > University Diving > > Safety Officers, as Pyle eluded to in earlier posts? I'm > > surprised you guys > > don't have FSU or UF ADP down there, this convoluted > > operation is right up > > their alley. I don't think Stanton or Murphy could even do > > this better than > > you have. And those guys are experts with over rigging, overplanning, > > convoluted gear setups and unlogical thinking. > > Is Pyle your spokesman on here? Because that guy comes > > across as one of > > the dumbest liars I have ever seen. This guy appears to be > > typical of your > > personnel. I think Richie has done more harm to your project > > than good with > > many of his lies about the capability of that deathtrap you > > have. What is > > the body count on it now? > > Lets recap. Deathtrap breather, inexperienced untrained > > divers, deco > > accident within 10 days, and you guys have not even done a > > real dive in > > there. I hope someone took out a life insurance policy on you guys. > > > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*> > > To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; Bill Mee > > <wwm@sa*.ne*> > > Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; cavers > > <cavers@cavers.com>; KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 4:19 PM > > Subject: RE: More USDCTisms > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Aloha, > > >Rich > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Chris Werner [mailto:clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 9:48 AM > > >> To: Richard Pyle; Bill Mee > > >> Cc: Jess Armantrout; cavers; KVI > > >> Subject: Re: More USDCTisms > > >> > > >> > > >> Unfortunately Richie, You are not a very intelligent > > fellow and you have > > >> been making that clear for quite some time. > > >> > > >> Good luck with which you know little about. Try not to kill > > >> yourself either > > >> diving or spewing meaningless rebuttals. > > >> > > >> Concerned with your lack of logic, > > >> Chris > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*> > > >> To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; Bill Mee > > <wwm@sa*.ne*> > > >> Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; cavers > > >> <cavers@cavers.com>; KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > > >> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 7:53 AM > > >> Subject: RE: More USDCTisms > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> >Boy, you are an intelligent fella, aren't you. > > >> > > > >> >Aloha, > > >> >Rich > > >> > > > >> >Richard L. Pyle > > >> >Ichthyology, Bishop Museum > > >> >1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817 > > >> >Ph: (808) 848-4115 Fax: (808) 847-8252 > > >> >email: deepreef@bi*.or* > > >> > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Chris Werner [mailto:clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*] > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:23 AM > > >> >> To: Richard Pyle; Bill Mee > > >> >> Cc: Jess Armantrout; cavers; KVI > > >> >> Subject: Re: More USDCTisms > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> We have a diving physiology > > >> >> >workgroup consisting of myself, Joe, John Earle, Dave Pence > > >> (U.H. Diving > > >> >> >Safety Officer), and Dr. Bob Overlock (Chamber guru > > for the state of > > >> >> >Hawaii). We meet about once a month to have serious > > discussions > > about > > >> >> >particular aspects of diving physiology. One of our > > first meetings > > >> >> >discussed cutis marmorata. We have it on videotape, if you'd > > >> >> like to see a > > >> >> >copy. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Richie, You say here you have a diving safety officer > > for UH and a > > >> chamber > > >> >> guru of the state. In all honesty, these guys have no idea > > >> what they are > > >> >> talking about. The University Diving Safety Officers are > > >> consistently the > > >> >> worst in the business. It's a network of good old boys, who > > >> consistently > > >> >> back each other up with some of the most ridiculous claim out > > >> there. The > > >> >> AAUS standards are worse than IANTD as far as diver training, > > >> and to make > > >> >> matters worse these guys consistently believe that they > > know what they > > >> are > > >> >> talking about. The simple fact is that most of them > > have convinced the > > >> >> Universities and State's that due to liability of > > teaching that their > > >> >> positions are necessary to head off any potential accidents. The > > >> >> funny thing > > >> >> is that they consistently are some of the worst > > instructors with very > > >> >> limited experience and skill. My bet is that most of them join > > >> >> the AAUS, so > > >> >> that together they have a network to fall on and each > > of them back > > each > > >> >> other up. Its a very sad story. Go to any of the annual meeting > > >> >> and see for > > >> >> yourself. Claiming that you consult with these guys actually > > >> shows us how > > >> >> little you know about what you are doing. > > >> >> > > >> >> Chris > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > "Say, is that your Captain Marvel secret decoder lunchbox you got hanging back there?" - Anon E. Mouse
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