Chris, anyone who either knew or knows anything has either avoided these
guys or quit. I am predicting right now that those who just wanted to
see Wakulla will soon quit, followed by the "volunteers" once have had
enough misery, followed by the super heroes once they get the pants
scared off of them. 

All of this and they have not yet reached our FIRST STAGE DROP - as
predicted. Thse guys are the absolute worst cave divers ever assembled,
but then who else would get involved with something this obviously
ridiculous?

JJ and I never saw Wakulla or a map and set the cave up on our first
shot, placing bottles out as far as these stroke went on their first
"project", and then added line to a mile on the next dive, and to 6500
feet on the dive after that. We finished B Tunnel off in one dive and
finished off C on a cleanup dive. 

As Gavin said at the time , "Six days, six dives, 6000 feet". That was
years ago. These strokes have had plenty of time to learn how to do this
elsewhere, and have not. We don't dive with strokes like this, and soon
everyone in the World will see why, and see that we were right in our
contempt for this phoney "project".
Chris Werner wrote:
> 
> To Stone and Co.,
>     It has come to my attention that you are recruiting new local people for
> support at Wakulla. You have gone out and got yourself some real experienced
> people. From what I have heard from them, they will be doing deep support
> for your rebreather divers. This is to inform you that your choice in very
> poor. Not only have you not gotten experienced divers you have picked
> untrained divers. I just thought I would let you know that two of them are
> only cavern certified and one is apprentice certified. They all have less
> that 20 real dives in any cavern or cave. I hope you don't get these guys in
> over their heads beyond the restriction. I also suppose that they will be on
> air since deep air heroics got most of the others on the team.
>     You guys must seriously be hurting for people. I guess that most of the
> experienced guys who might even help you, and they definitely want to dive
> Wakulla basin, have a clue as to how inexperienced your team really is. What
> is worse is that they probably realized that the cast of circus clowns you
> have now, have absolutely no idea what they are doing.
>     It wouldn't surprise me if that aussie who got bent may have just gone
> for a joy ride, got in over his head and came out scared. What type of deco
> gas was he breathing anyway? I have a feeling that you guys, just from what
> your web page says, probably paid about $20,000 for deco algorithms that
> don't even work and have never been tested. You have overpaid for everything
> else, why not algorithms. The latest update obviously proves this. Who do
> you have advising you on tables now? Some of the infamous University Diving
> Safety Officers, as Pyle eluded to in earlier posts? I'm surprised you guys
> don't have FSU or UF ADP down there, this convoluted operation is right up
> their alley. I don't think Stanton or Murphy could even do this better than
> you have. And those guys are experts with over rigging, overplanning,
> convoluted gear setups and unlogical thinking.
>     Is Pyle your spokesman on here? Because that guy comes across as one of
> the dumbest liars I have ever seen. This guy appears to be typical of your
> personnel. I think Richie has done more harm to your project than good with
> many of his lies about the capability of that deathtrap you have. What is
> the body count on it now?
>     Lets recap. Deathtrap breather, inexperienced untrained divers, deco
> accident within 10 days, and you guys have not even done a real dive in
> there. I hope someone took out a life insurance policy on you guys.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; cavers
> <cavers@cavers.com>; KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 4:19 PM
> Subject: RE: More USDCTisms
> 
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Aloha,
> >Rich
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Werner [mailto:clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 9:48 AM
> >> To: Richard Pyle; Bill Mee
> >> Cc: Jess Armantrout; cavers; KVI
> >> Subject: Re: More USDCTisms
> >>
> >>
> >> Unfortunately Richie, You are not a very intelligent fellow and you have
> >> been making that clear for quite some time.
> >>
> >> Good luck with which you know little about. Try not to kill
> >> yourself either
> >> diving or  spewing meaningless rebuttals.
> >>
> >> Concerned with your lack of logic,
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> >> To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> >> Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; cavers
> >> <cavers@cavers.com>; KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> >> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 7:53 AM
> >> Subject: RE: More USDCTisms
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Boy, you are an intelligent fella, aren't you.
> >> >
> >> >Aloha,
> >> >Rich
> >> >
> >> >Richard L. Pyle
> >> >Ichthyology, Bishop Museum
> >> >1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> >> >Ph: (808) 848-4115  Fax: (808) 847-8252
> >> >email: deepreef@bi*.or*
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Chris Werner [mailto:clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*]
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:23 AM
> >> >> To: Richard Pyle; Bill Mee
> >> >> Cc: Jess Armantrout; cavers; KVI
> >> >> Subject: Re: More USDCTisms
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> We have a diving physiology
> >> >> >workgroup consisting of myself, Joe, John Earle, Dave Pence
> >> (U.H. Diving
> >> >> >Safety Officer), and Dr. Bob Overlock (Chamber guru for the state of
> >> >> >Hawaii).  We meet about once a month to have serious discussions
> about
> >> >> >particular aspects of diving physiology.  One of our first meetings
> >> >> >discussed cutis marmorata.  We have it on videotape, if you'd
> >> >> like to see a
> >> >> >copy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Richie, You say here you have a diving safety officer for UH and a
> >> chamber
> >> >> guru of the state. In all honesty, these guys have no idea
> >> what they are
> >> >> talking about. The University Diving Safety Officers are
> >> consistently the
> >> >> worst in the business. It's a network of good old boys, who
> >> consistently
> >> >> back each other  up with some of the most ridiculous claim out
> >> there. The
> >> >> AAUS standards are worse than IANTD as far as diver training,
> >> and to make
> >> >> matters worse these guys consistently believe that they know what they
> >> are
> >> >> talking about. The simple fact is that most of them have convinced the
> >> >> Universities and State's that due to liability of teaching that their
> >> >> positions are necessary to head off any potential accidents. The
> >> >> funny thing
> >> >> is that they consistently are some of the worst instructors with very
> >> >> limited experience and skill. My bet is that most of them join
> >> >> the AAUS, so
> >> >> that together they have a network to fall on and each of them back
> each
> >> >> other  up. Its a very sad story. Go to any of the annual meeting
> >> >> and see for
> >> >> yourself. Claiming that you consult with these guys actually
> >> shows us how
> >> >> little you know about what you are doing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >

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