Bruce, Joe is a dishonest liar - nothing he ever says again will be
taken as anything but a lie. Once again I was right about this guy, and
in the future, I am goin to use my veto power on jerks like this up
front, as I all but did with Ditturi when I realized how mentally
deficient he is. The lying part I suspected, and treated him
accordingly, but now it is confrimed. This guy is trash, and we will
have nothing to do iwth him in the future for any reason. He is history
with our organizations. 


Bruce Stewart wrote:
> 
> Hang on Bill,
> 
> to be fair to Joey lets wait till he fesses up on whats going on and hey
> he might even be paid to be there! this would change the angle somewhat.
> 
> Bruce Stewart
> 
> Bill Mee wrote:
> 
> > Richie,
> >
> > So Vanderleest's DCS is more than a little "leg pain" huh?
> >
> > As for your "Cutis marmorata", skin bends for the for the English speaking,
> > we are talking about the massive edema which accompanies dcs of the fatty
> > tissues surrounding the abdomen and we affectionately have termed
> > "slobitis". You essentially become a temporary fat slob as a result of this
> > or a fatter slob if you already are one.  Anyone can develop symptoms of
> > this, even skinny  people such as yourself (I've seen pictures of you). What
> > is amusing, assuming you still have a sense of humor is that an otherwise
> > normal person develops what appears to be a beer gut, without the beer. You
> > find yourself walking around for a week with belt undone and your shirt out.
> > I thought you knew about these things.  This situation is not uncommon among
> > saturation divers.
> >
> > I have never suggested that the USDCT divers are fat or out of shape. As
> > George has quite plainly stated, there are some people who do not fare well
> > with deep exposure diving, regardless of their fitness level or experience
> > level as some of the USDCT guys have done a lot shallow cave diving,
> > according to their cvs.  You find out who can tolerate the repeated deep
> > stuff by doing it.  I will say that one should be apprised of this before
> > embarking on a project the magnitude of Wakulla II.   Some people have a
> > predisposition to DCS and they end up quiting the deep diving as a result.
> >
> > DCS is serious business, but if you are going to make a practice of deep
> > diving you can't take a "chicken Little" attitude towards it. There are
> > dives where you will suffer mild dcs and you can't go calling 911 every time
> > this happens. You learn to differentiate what is bad and what is just
> > routine "beating".  In fact the term deco "beating" is accurate, because it
> > sometimes feels as though someone physically beat you with a wooden bat
> > about the fleshy areas if you do not do your deep stops just right.  Even if
> > you do your deep stops, sometimes your drysuits pinches or a harness
> > constricts too much or your drysuit floods and some of the extremities get
> > too cold and so on.
> >
> > Rich, now that Dituri has come out the closet, so to speak what will be next
> > shoe to drop? Have you been appointed as public spokesperson or apologist
> > for the USCDT?
> >
> > As for the dive times. At least you published your Mk 4 downloads during the
> > Pahlau expedition and we could see just what happened. According to someone,
> > the Cis Lunar dive logs are to be published on the website. This will go a
> > long way to telling us just what is really going on. Why don't you mention
> > this during your nightly conversation with Dr. Stone.
> >
> > Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> > To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> > Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Techdiver
> > <techdiver@aq*.co*>; rebreather@nw*.co*
> > <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Houston Cavers List
> > <HoustonCaveDivers@ca*.co*>; Cost effective home improvement
> > <freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>; cavers <cavers@cavers.com>;
> > kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: More USDCTisms
> >
> > > For those who have actually experienced diving in Wakulla Springs, it
> > > came as quite shock that one could turn an essentially no
> > > decompression dive to the beginning of the B tunnel into a 47 minute
> > > bottom fest. Did the 47 minutes include the time it took to walk from
> > > the Lodge to the Beach, scooter into the basin and count cat fish for
> > > 15 minutes and then scooter to the B tunnel junction?
> >
> > I would suspect not.  Rather, I suspect that the bottom time was because
> > "They placed a radio transmitter beacon and laid new permanent line
> > to clearly mark the B and C tunnel entrances in preparation for routine
> > mapping missions to come shortly. They also relocated some safety stage
> > bottles to the B and C junctions."
> >
> > > I am sorry about Vanderleest geting bent in the leg. As to this, all I
> > > can say is welcome to the club. If it had been myself I would have
> > > taken four Ibuprofens and gone home. This is what we affectionately
> > > call the "deco beating" and is to be expected, just as one would
> > > expect minor aches and pains after running 20 miles.  I really think
> > > that this was due to some other problem.  Wait until these guys do a
> > > dive where the bottom time is 47 – 60 minutes from the 220 travel gas
> > > change stop. This, of course, is where the WKPP bottom timer starts.
> > > Not in the parking lot.
> >
> > I thought you called it "sports injury"?  How can you profess to be in any
> > way safer than the Wak2 divers, when this is your attitude towards
> > clinical bends symptoms? I hope you guys don't plan on having your joints
> > intact in about 10 years; or, at least make sure your insurance plans
> > cover artificial joint replacement.
> >
> > > You can just imagine the horror which will ensue when one of the
> > > "team" gets a real case of slobitis. I wonder if Barbara Am Ende will
> > > photograph a closeup of a large black and blue swollen beer gut.
> >
> > I gather your implication here are that:
> >
> > 1) Wak2 divers have swollen beer guts (they must hide them well, because I
> > see no evidence of such in the photos); and
> >
> > 2) That risk cutis marmorata bends is inversely correlated with physical
> > fitness.  If that were true, then why is Joe up on me 2 to 1 on the cutis
> > marmorata hits, and why do the super fit WKPP divers seem to have such a
> > high incidence of this otherwise uncommon form of bends?
> >
> > Aloha,
> > Rich

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