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Yep that's about the way I see it.
Brian Hunter
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:00 PM
To: Brian Hunter; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: neophyte definition
Brian, the definition of neophyte is 1) a new convert: proselyte
2)novice
3)beginner
Proselyte: a new covert to a religion,belief, or party.
My uses cover all depending on who I am talking to, you can be
experienced
in diving and I may call you neophyte as related to proselyte in regards
to
DIR diving as it would be new to you. The inexperience in diving
neophyte
is truly a novice/beginner.
You fall into all and it is an easy call on you.
First lets talk about truth, anyone who will publicly claim to always
have
perfect dives is just blowing smoke or having fun. Anyone who believes
this, is a neophyte. Anyone who cannot accept the fact that they are not
ready when the majority says other will not ever break out of the
neophyte
status. I do not mean the bullshit that gets posted on these list.
Lets look at the VBtech meeting the other night. There were 3 there that
I
had called neophyte on the net or emails in private. Each fit one or
more
of the definitions stated and clearly at least one was a neophyte in
regards to team and trust.
Now why you still are labeled neophyte, when you came to dive with us
for
the first time you asked Tom to sign your log book......he quickly noted
and told me the number of logged dives you had and you stated nothing
past
130ft to me. Now you have signed up with Dave for Trimix and told him
something different so to seem more qualified for the class. Clearly we
talk to each other and the safety of the divers is our concern. At the
end
of the meeting you were under the impression we were doing or planning
dives without including you. And pressed the issue on weather we would
let
you go. Never did you hear, even as it was said by almost everyone that
we
could not turn you loose on certain dives, we do many many more shallow
dives than deep as this will prepare you better in the long run. You
could
not understand that someone in our group is always on the boats and
there
are no secret dives. I may chose to hold off on details of my personal
plans as to many rumors are passed by those who think it is inside info
or
cool to pass on. The way you break out of the neophyte status is trust,
who
is willing to trust their life with you on a technical dive and not be
paid
by you to do it. Clearly on a dive of a technical nature which depths
exceed your mental and skills capabilities no diver but of equal status
will want to dive with you. Because you will be the weak link and risk
of
the dive. The experienced diver will know that he can help you, but you
will be of little help to him in a crisis thus a majority of his dive
will
be baby sitting and worry, thus placing limits on his own dive
perimeters.
Time at depth has a direct relationship to ones comfort zone.
Often divers will push this comfort zone as long as they can handle the
mental aspects of it, those that can't handle it will injure themselves
during a crisis while never able to hold it together long enough to
solve
the problem. Most problems solved are only a buddy away.
Hope I was able to explain my view on this and there are not many errors
have a nice day
At 02:59 PM 4/7/03 -0400, Brian Hunter wrote:
>Well JT, since I am new to diving deeper I would like to know what it
>takes to break out of the "neophyte" status. I believe you even called
>me this once. So please tell us.
> I think Mike has made some good points. I don't think that the F ups
>one makes in the past should count against anyone as long as they learn
>from them and don't continue doing it over and over expecting different
>results. I think this is what some leaders in the DIR community define
>as a stroke.
> Hopefully the "Truth" will prevail in the end.
> Brian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Barnette [mailto:aocfishman@ho*.co*]
>Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:22 PM
>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: JT, the artful dodger
>
>Well howdy to you JT -
>
>Golly gee, I guess I got your number of dives wrong. Pray tell, just
>how
>many dives below 150fsw have you done? I don't want to get it wrong or
>put
>words in your mouth (I wouldn't know where to begin), so just answer
>this
>one nagging question with a number. That should be pretty simple, even
>for
>a flunkie like you.
>
>The heat is not on me. You can try and say that I am the one suffering
>here
>and "twisting", but I think the entire list sees what is going on here.
>I
>am really enjoying this. I have been straight-forward, truthful, and
>open
>about my diving history. You on the other hand have been nebulous,
>obfuscatory, and deceptive. Just give us a number and we will leave it
>at
>that. As I stated, even if you double the number of dives from your
>list
>and the ones that showed up as trip reports on VBTECH and TECHDIVER, it
>is
>still well below 100. I am sure we all understand that there are some
>40-50
>dives that are somehow unaccounted for due to you not yapping about
>them,
>being as modest as you are and all. The truth is your website is more
>accurate than you think or want to believe right now.
>
>By the way, who was your trimix instructor, what agency were you
>certified
>through, and what is your trimix card number?
>
>JT, don't worry, we are not trying to emulate you or "keep up." We all
>understand that this is not a competitive sport and there is no need to
>"keep up." Obviously you don't. I am perfectly content doing my
>"weenie"
>dives and documenting new, unexplored shipwrecks.
>
>Is anyone keeping count of the number of times JT has tried to worm out
>of
>answering how many technical dives he has done? I am sure it exceeds
>the
>number of his technical dives....
>
>Your turn JT...I told you this would not go away.
>
>Standing by,
>Mike
>
>Michael C. Barnette
>Association of Underwater Explorers
>Because it's there...somewhere...maybe.
>http://www.mikey.net/aue
>
>
>
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