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From: "Fabricio Rosas Tariki" <frtariki@or*.co*.br*>
To: "John M. Nichols" <john_m__nichols@ho*.co*>
Cc: cavers@aq*.co*,
Subject: Re: Brazilian cave dive law ( Guys,look at this joke)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:30:56 GMT


Have you have ever heard the expression: "Take the cotton out of your ears
and put in your mouth"? Have your "Brazilian friend" apparently gone
through at least elementary school here in Brazil? If so, your "friend"
would had been able to READ and UNDERSTAND the mentioned e-mail. So, as
both you and your "friend" are complete morons, let me break it down to

1. Any cave, dry or wet, here in Brazil belongs to the State, doesn't
matter who is the owner of the land that it is in. The caves are treated as
they were National Parks, and our Legislation requires that any visitation
is to be conducted under the tutelage of a certified guide. As it is, our
Legislation does not discriminate a water-filled cave from any National
Park ie. dry cave. The whole discussion is to try and change the
Legislation regarding National Parks.

2. I had never saw a cave dive conducted by divers "hand in hand like kids
in a elementary school". Had your PADI Cavern course been conducted in this

3. DIR is well spread out here. We have four GUE instructors, and JJ
himself had been to Brazil at least couple times, the first time before he
started out GUE. And here we have excellent divers, cave, wreck, whatever.

As for you, here it is a piece of advice. Get your facts straight before
talking about anything. Saves you the embarrassment.

Best regards
Fabricio Rosas Tariki

John M. Nichols escreveu:

> Hi everybody, My name’s John and I live in Pasadena-CA. I’ve been
> scuba diving ( and cave diving ) for long time and I have some
> friends that live near my area and dive with me.
> Yesterday I heard something that for me is a joke, but it’s not. One of
> Brazilian friend sign a Brazilian’s cave dive list, and he said me that
> they’re having a discussion with authorities of Brazilian Cave dive
> about “why” the necessity of a cave diver guide for certified
cave divers to 
> dive in their caves (in all caves of the country).
> I couldn’t understand well, but there are some guys complaining and
> explanations about the cave law (from Brazilian environmental agency)that 
> don’t allow anybody in Brazil dive in their caves without a cave diver 
> guide. The law prohibit not only divers, which don’t have cave 
> certification, dive in the lake of the cave ( if you wanna dive in the lake, 
> you should have a guide to dive with you), but also prohibit divers that 
> have cave certification (cavern, intro to cave and cave diver(include 
> experienced cave divers)) make their penetration in the cave without these 
> guides, and I’m not saying about solo dives, the law don’t allow
buddy dives 
> without the guide.
> My Brazilian friend couldn’t explain me what is the paper of this cave
> guide.
> My Brazilian’s friends and I concluded  that cave divers from Brazil
> such a incompetent, bad, and moron divers that they can’t dive by
> and need a “baby-sitter” to guide them inside a cave.
> Imagine the situation, four guys ( include the baby-sitter) diving in a cave 
> hand in hand like kids in a elementary school (Oh, man!!!). Or in a worst 
> case, imagine if the law is here in U.S. Trey and J.J attempting other world 
> record in cave penetration, but at this time having a high fat slob cave 
> diver guide following them till the end of the cable (If it were possible), 
> just because a stupid law demand that they should have one.
> Trey, I know that they have lots of IANTD stroke divers there ( I remember 
> some discussion that you had with them long time ago when a diver died 
> attempting deep air in a cave), but are there any GUE cave divers ? If not, 
> I think that you and J.J should go to Brazil and teach them the DIR 
> fundamentals and philosophy to these people dive better.
> Best regards and dive safe ( without a cave baby-sitter guide of course 
> !!!!), johndive.
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