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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:53:01 -0800
Subject: Using Compressor as booster
From: Harold Gartner <hgartner@ra*.or*>
To: "Tech. Diver" <techdiver@terra.net>
David Drake asked that I post further iformation concerning my attempt at 
pumping Trimix from some single 120's to a set of duals using my Rix SA-6 
and the problems encountered.  He also noted that my signature didn't 
have my E-mail address (I wondered why I hadn't gotten an occassional 
private "love notes" or two from the list!  Actually had grown kinda fond 
of the private ones!).  Anyway, the signature problem is resolved and the 
E-Mail addresses added. On to the real issue at hand:

I had filled two single 120 cu.ft. tanks with Trimix 46/16 in the past so 
as to allow some friends to do a short dive to 240fsw to see a wreck 
known as the Triple Crown when we had a  bouy on the wreck.  One of the  
friends asked me just a few questions, but it was enough to make me 
realize just how stupid it was to even consider taking them down on 
Trimix without the Advanced training (no flames please, I know it was 
dumb, dumb and dummer) so the tanks just sat there using space, gas not 
being used and my two Nitrox and O2 cleaned single 120's were essentially 
useless to me.  Rather than just dumping the gas I wanted to transfer it 
one sets of my duals.  Figured it shouldn't be a problem using the RIX SA-6.

The Rix folks advised against doing this especially if the inlet pressure 
was at all positive as the machine isn't designed, they say, for a 
positive pressure on the inlet side.  OK, the solution, we thought, would 
be to hook up a good breathing scuba regulator to the inlet hose and let 
her rip.  Gave it a try using the 6' piece of inlet hose as the only 
reservoir. We found that due to the dynamics of the compressor, the 
regulator daiphram dynamics could not respond to the intake pulses of the 
compressor well and so the result was that there was alot of wasted gas 
out the exhaust ports of the regulator at the end of each intake stroke.

A second attempt was made using a sensitive vacumn/pressure guage and 
manually feeding the intake tube as close as possible to normal ATA.  
While this met with better succuess and less gas waste, problems were 
still encourtered due to the resident volume of the compressor and extra 
dryers and filters attached thereto.  Also manual regualtion was very 
diffult and if ever tried again would require better controls such as 
flow meters etc. used in welding gear and perhaps the use of another 
large reservoir on the intake side to dampen the pulses.  End result, in 
my opinion, is waste of time as compared to cost of gases saved.  Would 
never try it again unless, perhaps someone gave me 100's of used He tanks 
with psi levels of 500 or so and some bottles to bank the He at high pressure. 

Real answer is what's designed for the use:  A Haskell booster pump.  
Still, it hurts to throw out gas from an aborted dive etc. and start from 
fresh, but without the proper equipment it's too difficult in my 
experience and the "remixed brew" may be questionable without an He 
analyzer.  Just an O2 analyzer isn't enough to verify under these 
circumstances in my view.

Off the soap box and back to diving after L4-5 disc surgery! 

Harold H. Gartner III
6900 Via Alba
Camarillo, California 93012
home: (805) 482-9743
home fax: (805) 987-6804
office: (213) 487-6240
E-Mail:
hgartner@ra*.or*
CompuServe 71470,1423

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