I finally read that article in Aquacorps about Gilliam and Odem, as well as Mike Menduno's commment on it. I agree with Menduno. I have two other comments: 1) these guys set a bad example, and are clearly think they have demonstrated some great ability. I have been diving with Gilliam, and I can tell you that he posesses no special talents, at least relative to what I consider normal. Maybe to a student he is a good diver or has a good breathing rate. Not in my league. When Gilliam or Oden can do underwaters with me in a fifty meter pool, then they will have a good breathing rate. But that requires more pesonal sacrifice than most peole are willing to make/ Number 2) - you all know the cave diving I do. Odem is director of the CDS, a cave diving organization. He is insignificant as a cave diver. He has done nothing in our arena. If any of you out there think that what these guys are doing is a demonstration of ability or something to be emulated, I would suggest you are wrong. If you must, go someplace where there is warm , clear water. Drop down a little with a redundant rig and a buddy on gas. Share gas with the buddy. You will see what this is all about - nothing. Raimo apparently figured that out by himself. The reason people do this and have accidents is guys like Gilliam and Odem who try to glorify what amounts to nothing more than drug use, in my opinion. - George Irvine
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