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In a message dated 95-10-18 12:08:09 EDT, gmiiii@in*.co* writes:
>:
>
>>> What actions (or inactions) are being taken by the NSS-CDS in respects
>>> to Mr. Odom's recently published foolhardy deep air dives, and
>>> his following comments about it and the other divers in the world?
>
> Harve, I never saw the bit about the deep air dives, but
>I think that it is about time that we (the divers) remove control
>of both the NACD and the NSS from the dive instructors and from
>the old line players whose policy it is to create an exclusive
>club from which the newer folks are excluded.
>
> There are some obvious exceptions, like Gene Broome, who is
>both an instructor and a long-term player in the CDS. His attitude,
>however is quite the opposite of the rest of the CDS board.
>
> At NACD, the committees, like mine (exploration) are chaired
>by divers, but the organization is instructor-driven. Just to give
>you an example, everyone knows that I have complete slide and video
>presentations on gear-rigging and on everything about scooters, as
>well as several excellent cave diving videos. I am making a new one
>which has some of the most spectacular and hard-to-get footage ever.
>
> I always offer my services to the conferences, and even the CDS,
>whose board hates me with a passion, recognizes that this is worthy
>of a viewing audience. The NACD does not. They are afraid I will show
>or say something that will be contrary to what the instructors are
>teaching. Of course, they have such luminaries as Bill (you can't
>breath the long hose and stage dive) Dooley running the show, and other
>gear salesmen who are afraid of what the truth may do to sales.
>
> People we have listened to enough deep record and rebreather
>presentations. We have put up with enough of the "old boy" hide-the-
>caves from the newcomers that we are training who are not good
>enought to dive them ( you should see some of these "conservation"
>strokes in the water, and I would just love to name one in particular),
>we have seen enough of the buy this light to cave dive crap, and we have
>had all we can take of the lack of information from those who create it.
>
> I would strongly suggest that all of you join the NACD and the
>CDS so that you can vote these offenders out of office. None of them,
>with the exception of guys like Broome, have done anything to get
>you access to more cave or more information or better gear or
>techniques. These organizations presently carry no weight with
>anyone in a postion to grant access - believe me , I specialize in
>getting access for our group. Hell, you can't even show a CDS card
>because of the stupidity written on the face of it. With mine, I
>pasted a picture of the lead singer from "White Zombie" on the front
>and put "no lawyers, no speed limits, no stop signs, and everybody
>carries a gun" in place of the weenieisms on the front.
>
> With the caves that the CDS purchased, they have effectively
>maintained the old boy network by making them guided. With the
>exception of our own Jarrod Jablonski and Casey McKinlay, the other
>guides are such hideos, slovenly strokes that even the Transformer
>would not dive with them, if you could even get them to dive with
>anyone but themselves in the first place.
>
> The only way we can change this is to spend the money to join,
>get some motivated "doers" to run for office, and vote them in.
>
> - George Irvine
Very well put Georgeand that is exactly why I'm running for the NSS-CDS board
of directors.
So as an unashamed bit of self promotion VOTE for me.
Thank you for your support,
Steve Dittner NSS-CDS 37075
Dittner@ao*.co*
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Date: 95-10-18 12:08:09 EDT
On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Thorn <tthorn@co*.ua*.ed*> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Ken Sallot wrote:
>> What actions (or inactions) are being taken by the NSS-CDS in respects
>> to Mr. Odom's recently published foolhardy deep air dives, and
>> his following comments about it and the other divers in the world?
Harve, I never saw the bit about the deep air dives, but
I think that it is about time that we (the divers) remove control
of both the NACD and the NSS from the dive instructors and from
the old line players whose policy it is to create an exclusive
club from which the newer folks are excluded.
There are some obvious exceptions, like Gene Broome, who is
both an instructor and a long-term player in the CDS. His attitude,
however is quite the opposite of the rest of the CDS board.
At NACD, the committees, like mine (exploration) are chaired
by divers, but the organization is instructor-driven. Just to give
you an example, everyone knows that I have complete slide and video
presentations on gear-rigging and on everything about scooters, as
well as several excellent cave diving videos. I am making a new one
which has some of the most spectacular and hard-to-get footage ever.
I always offer my services to the conferences, and even the CDS,
whose board hates me with a passion, recognizes that this is worthy
of a viewing audience. The NACD does not. They are afraid I will show
or say something that will be contrary to what the instructors are
teaching. Of course, they have such luminaries as Bill (you can't
breath the long hose and stage dive) Dooley running the show, and other
gear salesmen who are afraid of what the truth may do to sales.
People we have listened to enough deep record and rebreather
presentations. We have put up with enough of the "old boy" hide-the-
caves from the newcomers that we are training who are not good
enought to dive them ( you should see some of these "conservation"
strokes in the water, and I would just love to name one in particular),
we have seen enough of the buy this light to cave dive crap, and we have
had all we can take of the lack of information from those who create it.
I would strongly suggest that all of you join the NACD and the
CDS so that you can vote these offenders out of office. None of them,
with the exception of guys like Broome, have done anything to get
you access to more cave or more information or better gear or
techniques. These organizations presently carry no weight with
anyone in a postion to grant access - believe me , I specialize in
getting access for our group. Hell, you can't even show a CDS card
because of the stupidity written on the face of it. With mine, I
pasted a picture of the lead singer from "White Zombie" on the front
and put "no lawyers, no speed limits, no stop signs, and everybody
carries a gun" in place of the weenieisms on the front.
With the caves that the CDS purchased, they have effectively
maintained the old boy network by making them guided. With the
exception of our own Jarrod Jablonski and Casey McKinlay, the other
guides are such hideos, slovenly strokes that even the Transformer
would not dive with them, if you could even get them to dive with
anyone but themselves in the first place.
The only way we can change this is to spend the money to join,
get some motivated "doers" to run for office, and vote them in.
- George Irvine
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