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From: <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:48:52 -0700
Subject: CAN'T TOUCH 'DIS
To: cavers@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*
Cc: techdiver@terra.net


On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, "Ken Sallot" <KEN@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> wrote:
>This came in from Tom Mount...
>On deleting George from tech diver---As a recipant of much of his stabs I 
>should be the one who is delighted.
>However this is a free country and George has the right to be on the list.

       The problem with Tom is that he is too nice to too
       many people. They expect him to tell them what to
       do (defering to his years of experience), and he
       listens to their bullshit instead. I saw him at
       Ginnie trying to train three of the biggest strokes
       I had ever met. These guys were from California,
       and wre wearing "team doria" t-shirts, and
       pontificating heavily about everything. These guys 
       had their long hoses stuffed down the back middle of
       their doubles, where sharing air would be impossible.
       Mount allowed them to do this. Bill Mee and I 
       suggested to Tom that he refund their money
       and send them home. 
       There is a distict possability that Tom knows some-
       thing that I don't - namely that most people will
       never really put this stuff into practice, so it 
       is better to just let them do what they want, and
       make it sound "sexy", like the deep air courses. I
       would be willing to bet that Tom gets a fair amount
       of requests for this.
       In fact, I remember when I first started trying to 
       get deeper. Not knowing the score, I saw Hal Watts'
       ad in Florida Scuba News and thought about taking
       his deep air course. Luckily, one phone call to him
       and I was cured of that thought. As soon as he 
       answered, I realized what I was dealing with, and
       I couldn't resist telling him that I wanted to
       do the three hundred foot dive first, and if I
       liked that, I would consider buying some gear and
       taking scuba lessons.
       Besides pissing Tom off, which was not my intent, 
       I think we are in fact giving him some support in
       resisting the strokes, and some support in 
       simply reorganizing his standards into a cohesive
       program. Many people ask me what to do to learn,
       and the fact is that while I did it by hunting
       down all of the information myself, Tom has made
       this process a lot easier by doing the same thing
       and putting it into one book, "Mixed Gas Diving".
       I would suggest reading the book for starters, 
       then reading "The Physiology and Medicine of Diving",
       by Peter Bennett and David Elliot, in which the 
       more advanced subtleties are discussed, and 
       then taking some of these courses. I would 
       suggest renting or borrowing some gear and
       trying different pieces until you know what
       you want, or until you know enough to ask 
       someone like me to where the answer I give
       would make some sense.
       The only thing I would say is it is a lot 
       easier and safer if you avoid narcotic mixes,
       avoid high PPO2's, and avoid cluttered gear
       configurations or complexities. It is a lot
       more fun if you get in shape, it is a lot
       more fun if you understand what you are 
       doing and are not afraid of the unseen demons.
       Get a physical, get checked for PFO, and then
       you don't have to worry about DCS and other
       weenie topics.
       I appreciate Tom's siding with me on the 
       stroke battle, and I really have to say that
       while there may have been inconguities in
       the presentation of his standards, they 
       look like the Holy Grail next to the others,
       like ANDI. I have never seen TDI's stuff,
       simply because they have people involved
       with whom I disagree so strongly as to never
       be willing to even look at them (John Comly).
       My only purpose is to cause some reflextion,
       and even the strokes have to admit I have
       probably cast enough doubt on their 
       practices that they will never really be
       able to "do their thing" without wondering
       if I am , in fact, correct.
       I do argue with Tom at every opportunity,
       but usually on a much friendlier basis
       while we are diving together, and I need to
       appologize to him for making him a lightning
       rod for my frustrations with people he has no 
       control over, and with an image of technical
       diving which has soured due to no fault of
       Tom's. 
       The only reason I ever wanted him to do 
       things our way is because he has first shot at
       so much raw material that we could really use
       for divng here, in the bahamas, and in north
       Florida.
       The strokes , however, can still kiss my ass.
    
       - George Irivine 
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