On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, "Ken Sallot" <KEN@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> wrote: >This came in from Tom Mount... >On deleting George from tech diver---As a recipant of much of his stabs I >should be the one who is delighted. >However this is a free country and George has the right to be on the list. The problem with Tom is that he is too nice to too many people. They expect him to tell them what to do (defering to his years of experience), and he listens to their bullshit instead. I saw him at Ginnie trying to train three of the biggest strokes I had ever met. These guys were from California, and wre wearing "team doria" t-shirts, and pontificating heavily about everything. These guys had their long hoses stuffed down the back middle of their doubles, where sharing air would be impossible. Mount allowed them to do this. Bill Mee and I suggested to Tom that he refund their money and send them home. There is a distict possability that Tom knows some- thing that I don't - namely that most people will never really put this stuff into practice, so it is better to just let them do what they want, and make it sound "sexy", like the deep air courses. I would be willing to bet that Tom gets a fair amount of requests for this. In fact, I remember when I first started trying to get deeper. Not knowing the score, I saw Hal Watts' ad in Florida Scuba News and thought about taking his deep air course. Luckily, one phone call to him and I was cured of that thought. As soon as he answered, I realized what I was dealing with, and I couldn't resist telling him that I wanted to do the three hundred foot dive first, and if I liked that, I would consider buying some gear and taking scuba lessons. Besides pissing Tom off, which was not my intent, I think we are in fact giving him some support in resisting the strokes, and some support in simply reorganizing his standards into a cohesive program. Many people ask me what to do to learn, and the fact is that while I did it by hunting down all of the information myself, Tom has made this process a lot easier by doing the same thing and putting it into one book, "Mixed Gas Diving". I would suggest reading the book for starters, then reading "The Physiology and Medicine of Diving", by Peter Bennett and David Elliot, in which the more advanced subtleties are discussed, and then taking some of these courses. I would suggest renting or borrowing some gear and trying different pieces until you know what you want, or until you know enough to ask someone like me to where the answer I give would make some sense. The only thing I would say is it is a lot easier and safer if you avoid narcotic mixes, avoid high PPO2's, and avoid cluttered gear configurations or complexities. It is a lot more fun if you get in shape, it is a lot more fun if you understand what you are doing and are not afraid of the unseen demons. Get a physical, get checked for PFO, and then you don't have to worry about DCS and other weenie topics. I appreciate Tom's siding with me on the stroke battle, and I really have to say that while there may have been inconguities in the presentation of his standards, they look like the Holy Grail next to the others, like ANDI. I have never seen TDI's stuff, simply because they have people involved with whom I disagree so strongly as to never be willing to even look at them (John Comly). My only purpose is to cause some reflextion, and even the strokes have to admit I have probably cast enough doubt on their practices that they will never really be able to "do their thing" without wondering if I am , in fact, correct. I do argue with Tom at every opportunity, but usually on a much friendlier basis while we are diving together, and I need to appologize to him for making him a lightning rod for my frustrations with people he has no control over, and with an image of technical diving which has soured due to no fault of Tom's. The only reason I ever wanted him to do things our way is because he has first shot at so much raw material that we could really use for divng here, in the bahamas, and in north Florida. The strokes , however, can still kiss my ass. - George Irivine > >-- >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Ken Sallot "Sallot's law of patches - A person's diving >CIRCA ability is inversely proportional to how >(904) 392-2007 many patches(stickers) they have on their >kens@uf*.ed* jacket(car)" >http://grove.ufl.edu/~ken >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >
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